Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Kylix
From: Jay Vaughan (seclorum_AT_mac.com)
Date: Fri May 09 2003 - 20:00:32 EEST
>IMHO, the question to ask is: how well does it support
>Model-View-Controller programming? if it doesn't do it well, then its
>a poor choice for anything except tiny applications (see my LAD/ZKM
>talk about "10 things you may not have thought about ..."). my
>impression is that GUI toolkits derived from the windows world do a
>fairly poor job of this, and that RAD tools make it even more
>difficult.
>--p
I see Kylix as I see Delphi: a great tool which, if used right, can
make some truly impressive apps. And I have to disagree with Pauls'
assessment.
Delphi was probably the strongest RAD tool there ever was on Windows,
bar none, and has been responsible for an awful lot of truly *good*
Windows software, including some of the more interesting
audio-tools-that-became-products, such as Square Circles'
WaveSurgeon, and others (Syntrillium too, possible?). If you're a
Windows user, chances are you've had a lot of contact with
Delphi-generated apps... it kicks ass for RAD.
Not to mention the *unlimited* Delphi custom-app market that exists
because most anybody who truly *knows* Delphi(/Kylix) will tell you
that for custom software development in the small-/medium-sized
business sector (for which MVC is intended as a prime paradigm),
little can top Delphi for speed of development, ease of use, and
relatively bug-free, predictable code. Most pro Delphi guys I ever
worked with were *SECRETIVE* about what they could do with Delphi,
because its too easy!
And in terms of raw language power, you could do some serious damage
with ObjectPascal. There is no stopping you doing system calls, or
interesting pointer arithmetic-style algorithms with it. I haven't
seen anything in C that I couldn't have done in ObjectPascal, obscure
tricks-just-coz notwithstanding. ObjectPascals' got *plenty* of
ju-ju, if you catch my drift...
I would wager that the philosophy which has made Delphi such a
*fantastic* RAD tool (don't discount RAD, Paul, unless you've gotten
acquainted with Delphi) has probably spilled into the design of
Kylix, though I do not know - I have not used Kylix, as I am myself a
long-time C programmer, and have only dabbled in Delphi: I'm a C
junkie. I not only use it for work, but I write C for the fun of it.
Which is why I'm into Linux in the first place.
At the crux of it, any discussion of tools vs. tools is completely
arbitrary, but for DSP and performance, same rule applies here as any
other computer language discussion: assembly is king, then C, then
C++.
Nobody knows about Kylix and its Pascal for doing interesting audio
applications, but go right ahead and give it a whirl and let us know,
maybe you'll knock C++ down a peg or two! I bet you could use it to
make a Wave Editor pretty damn fast, anyway ...
--;
Jay Vaughan r&d>>music:technology:synthesizers - www.access-music.de/
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