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-- Bob Ham <rah@email-addr-hidden>
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On Tue, 2007-01-23 at 23:44 +0000, Wayne Myers wrote:
> The fact that no such political discussion took place and as a result of
> my post I was asked to become a moderator of the list proves that I
> am right and you are wrong.
You do not know whether there would have been any political discussion
on the list if you hadn't posted your opinion. This means that what you
describe as "proof" is not. Also, the fact that you were "asked to
become a moderator of the list" would seem to be more due to the fact
that you expressed any opinion at all on how the list should operate,
rather than the impact of your expression. This seems more true given
that the offer was made only seven hours after your post; a very short
amount of time in email terms, and certainly no time to assess the
impact.
Having been a member of the list for some time, I can say that the
chances of a political discussion taking place on any subject are slim
to none. Most members understand that it is not the place for political
discussion and would have simply ignored Dominique's statements,
irrespective of whether they agree with them.
In effect, you are claiming your post had an impact on a non-existent
potential for discussion. This is nonsense.
> > I also think it strange that you would display this behaviour over the
> > assertion that Israel is an apartheid state. What concerns me is that
> > you are a Zionist, using the LAD list to stifle criticism of Israel.
> Is
> > this correct? What, precisely, is your opinion on whether Israel is
> an
> > apartheid state?
>
> Using the LAD list to stifle criticism of Israel?
>
> I don't think you understand what is going on here, do you.
No, I didn't understand, which is why I asked.
> I have no idea who you are
Google for "bob ham linux audio" and you will see who I am.
> and I am not even remotely interested in
> entering into a pointless political discussion with you. You do not know
> what my views on Israel are
Again, you're right that I don't know what your opinions are; this is
why I asked what they were.
> and I am not going to tell you.
This, in itself, is very telling. (And very childish, as well.)
> However, if you are 'concerned' that I am a Zionist, then you, sir, are
> a racist
The concern at issue is not that you are a Zionist, but that you are
using the LAD list to further Zionism. You are welcome to whatever
views you wish; what concerns me is that is you use the LAD list to
further them (while admonishing someone else for doing the same.)
Also, to say that I am racist because I express anti-Zionist views is
completely irrational. Proposing that a race should not be treated
specially is not proposing it should be treated badly. Anti-Zionism is
the former; racism is the latter.
I can only conclude from your assertion that either you are ignorant of
what Anti-Zionism is, or you know what it is and consciously use the
term "racist" incorrectly.
I won't ask you to clarify this because you'll probably just say "I'm
not going to tell you. Nee ner nee ner." I would simply note that the
irrational labelling you are so quick to run to seems, to me, identical
to the irrational labelling that racists themselves are quick to run to.
> and are as ignorant with regard to the meaning of the term
> 'Zionist' as you are with regard to the meaning of the term 'apartheid'.
As you yourself noted, you don't know who I am. You overstep yourself.
> I will repeat, whatever my views on the state of Israel, that to call it
> an 'apartheid' state is a factual inaccuracy, an insult to the actual
> victims of apartheid
Ye, let us quote from the book of The Guardian, February 2006:
'Desmond Tutu, the former archbishop of Cape Town and chairman of South
Africa's truth and reconciliation commission, visited the occupied
territories three years ago and described what he found as "much like
what happened to us black people in South Africa".
As far back as 1961, Hendrik Verwoerd, the South African prime minister
and architect of the "grand apartheid" vision of the bantustans, saw a
parallel. "The Jews took Israel from the Arabs after the Arabs had lived
there for a thousand years. Israel, like South Africa, is an apartheid
state," he said. It is a view that horrifies and infuriates many
Israelis.'
http://www.guardian.co.uk/israel/Story/0,,1703245,00.html
I especially note the last words, "It is a view that horrifies and
infuriates many Israelis." In fact, I've seen that it is a view that
horrifies and infuriates many Zionists, regardless of whether they live
in Israel. Combined with the following page
http://www.waz.easynet.co.uk/aby/
I think it's quite reasonable to conclude that your primary motivation
does not lie in the correct usage of the LAD mailing list, but somewhere
in the Middle East.
> and as a matter for discussion has nothing
> whatsoever to do with Linux audio development.
Indeed.
Kindest regards,
Bob Ham
President, Linux Audio Developers Against Zionism
-- Bob Ham <rah@email-addr-hidden>
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