Re: [LAD] [somewhat OT] semaphores in python

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Fons Adriaensen wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 26, 2008 at 11:02:37PM +0200, Dominic Sacr� wrote:
>
>> Is this really an issue in Python? The Python interpreter is not thread safe
>> anyway, there's a global interpreter lock that must be held by any thread
>> accessing Python objects.
>> Depending on what you're trying to do, this might be one of Python's biggest
>> disadvantages, but as far as I can see, you don't need to worry about "true"
>> concurrency, simply because it can't happen.
>
> At first it would seem that solves the problem.
> But AFAICS it doesn't.
>
> A condition variable consists of
>
> - one or more state variables, on wich a condition is defined,
> - a mutex M to protect these variables from concurrent acceess,
> - a binary sema S (or equivalent) on which to wait until the
> condition is satisfied.
>
> To make all of this work correctly in all conditions, the
> essential part is that one can do [wait (S), release (M)]
> atomically.
>
> A counting sema is just one special case of this, the
> condition being _count > 0, where _count is an integer
> and the only state variable.
>
> The lock provided by the built-in thread module can play
> the role of both M and S, and that is indeed how Condition
> in threading is implemented (it's a bit more complicated,
> supporting multiple waiters, but that doesn't change the
> basic way it works).
>
> BUT: the python interpreter will release the GIL every
> so many bytecode instructions. There is AFAICS nothing
> that would prevent it from doing this in between the two
> operations that have to be atomic - it doesn't know they
> have to be.

I was going to suggest the twisted framework, but according to
http://mail.python.org/pipermail/python-list/2007-October/461199.html
it won't help. You can try your luck with an "extension module (written
in C) using the macros Py_BEGIN_ALLOW_THREADS/Py_END_ALLOW_THREADS to
release/acquire the GIL before/after an external blocking call".

rewrite in /perl/ is probably faster: There's a thread-safe
Thread::Semaphore :-X

#robin

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