On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 09:56 +0200, Arnold Krille wrote:
> On Thursday 15 July 2010 01:14:45 Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > On Thu, 2010-07-15 at 00:46 +0200, fons@email-addr-hidden wrote:
> > > Apart from that, it remains to be seen if *real* timing errors of
> > > +/- 2 ms do 'destroy the groove'. To test this, make the same
> > > recording
> > >
> > > - without jitter,
> > > - with 1 ms jitter,
> > > - with 2 ms jitter,
> > > - with 3 ms jitter.
> > >
> > > and check if listeners are able to identify which is which,
> > > or at least to put them into order.
> > I know very gifted musicians who do like me and they always 'preach'
> > that I should stop using modern computers and I don't know much averaged
> > people. So the listeners in my flat for sure would be able to hear even
> > failure that I'm unable to hear.
>
> You really should do that test first before speculating about the outcome and
> your audience.
>
> You would expect Audiophiles to spot the "super sounding" denon cables by
> listening, right? Yet a blind test showed the opposite. The test was to
> identify which audio take was played with denon-cables, el-cheapo cables from
> walmart and a bended cloth-hanger. If they where as good as they claimed, the
> denon-cable should get hits with probability significantly better then 1/3,
> otherwise its just luck.
> Guess what the outcome was: There was a significant hit: But they spotted the
> cloth-hanger as the denon-cable. Thats what real experts do...
>
> Do the listening test with as many people as possible and then show the
> results. And only afterwards start the speculations what the reason and the
> effects might be. (Thats called science btw.)
>
> Have fun,
>
> Arnold
Btw. I tested my own music.
First I played inside songs from other people a Ralf-mastering of my own
music.
Most people didn't like my song.
Some weeks later I played the same song inside other songs from other
people by a loudness-war-mastering.
Most people liked the song.
Playing the same song two times can't be called heavy rotation, hence
they were not accustomed to my song, but they need a bad mastering to be
fine with this song.
A blind study is useless regarding to musical issues.
Or do you think we should start mixing music optimised to loudness,
because tests show that the audience prefers music without dynamic?
;)
Ralf
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