Re: [LAD] [OT] Richard Stallman warns against ChromeOS

On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 11:40 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2010-12-17 at 05:30 -0500, gene heskett wrote:
> > On Friday, December 17, 2010 05:15:04 am Philipp Überbacher did opine:
> > [...]
> > > I guess it really depends on what you try to achieve. Afaik the average
> > > life-span of a HD is puny 2 years.
> >
> > Some maybe. I have a 1Gb seacrate hawk I use on a TRS-80 Color Computer
> > that is a good 15 years old, and I hooked up an old Quantum P40S beside it
> > the other day that must be close to 18 years old. No bad sectors were
> > found when I did a logical verify of the surface.
>
> Ok, my 40MB SCSI Seagate for the Atari is ok for more than 20 years,
> heavy usage, several startups a day. Sometimes I need to start it 2 or 3
> times, but than it's ok.
>
> >
> > > From what I heard the magnetic tapes
> > > used by for example ESA a long time ago have a life-span of 80 years. If
> > > 'store it good and forget' is what you're after then tape seems like a
> > > good idea.
> >
> > That seems to be a recipe for disaster. Will there be a working tape drive
> > to read those old tapes in even 40 years?
>
> For analog tapes Dirk Brauner had Telefunken machines that are as old as
> you are and they were better than a lot of modern machines ;).

Perhaps they were a little bit younger, but you ;). IIRC they did use
transistors.

>
> > Here, I use 4 1Tb drives as
> > individual drives, 3 of which have individual installs on them, and the 4th
> > is for amanda, doing nightly backups of whatever install I am running this
> > year. With smartd running, I have been told far enough in advance of an
> > impending drive failure that my email corpus has not been lost since early
> > 2002.
> >
> > > As for my university, as far as I know they use some RAID system for
> > > everyday and tapes for sensitive data. And they already had their whole
> > > RAID fail at the same time.
> >
> > So have I observed. Twice that I know of at my former, and occasionally
> > still, employers.
>

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