Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Cactus Data Shield copy controlled cd's
From: Jan Depner (eviltwin69_AT_cableone.net)
Date: Fri Jul 04 2003 - 13:13:50 EEST
Larry,
Sorry, I should have used the term record instead of rip. The rest is
still relevant though. If I can hear it, I can steal it. Conversely,
if I can't hear it, I'll return it to the store. DRM for audio (and
probably video) is a lost cause.
Jan
On Thu, 2003-07-03 at 21:03, Larry Troxler wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2003-07-02 at 17:06, Jan Depner wrote:
> > > > Just had to put my 2 cents in here. So, I go and buy the CD - it
> > > > won't rip or play on my computer - I slap it in my decent CD player
> > > > (with analog outs to my DSP2000) - I record it at 16/44.1 - I encode it
> > > > in ogg - I post that on the web somewhere. Now, question for the
> > > > student, how much worse is my ogg copy than a ripped and encoded ogg
> > > > copy? If you're willing to settle for mp3 then this is just as
> > > > acceptable and it can't be stopped. From what I gather from most of my
> > > > reading up on sound cards, most of them go from digital to analog and
> > > > then back when you rip anyway. Is the connection from your cd player
> > > > to your sound card digital? It is on my system but I don't think it is
> > > > on most of the cheaper ones.
>
> Hi, I'm sorry that I don't have Jan's original message still handy to reply
> to, but reading this leaves me very confused about how the ripping process
> works.
>
> For example, from the Cdparanio doc:
>
> "Cdparanoia is a Compact Disc Digital Audio (CDDA) extraction tool, commonly
> known on the net as a 'ripper'. The application is built on top of the
> Paranoia library, which is doing the real work (the Paranoia source is
> included in the cdparanoia source distribution). Like the original cdda2wav,
> cdparanoia package reads audio from the CDROM directly as data, with no
> analog step between, and writes the data to a file or pipe in WAV, AIFC or
> raw 16 bit linear PCM."
>
> So clearly this is strictly digital process. What you're describing sounds
> more like simply playing a CD in audio mode in your CD rom drive and
> recording via the analog connection to the sound card.
>
> Either I'm in the twilight zone (cursing myself that I don't get the sci-fi
> channel for the tz marathon this weekend) or there's two different meanings
> to the phrase "rip a cd".
>
> What's the story here?
>
> Larry Troxler
>
>
>
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