>On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 11:03:49AM +0100, Steve Harris wrote:
>> On Tue, Jul 26, 2005 at 10:36:10 +0100, tim hall wrote:
>> > Last Monday 25 July 2005 22:15, Kevin Cosgrove was like:
>> > > On 25 July 2005 at 15:46, Ben Loftis ben@email-addr-hidden> wrote:
>> > > > Most professional audio gear is like a bicycle. A bike is
>> > > > certainly not intuitive to a first time user, but once you
>> > > > learn how to balance, steer, etc, you can get around faster
>> > > > than someone on foot. This has sometimes been described as
>> > > > "intuitable" rather than intuitive.
>> > > Or, "discoverable" versus "usable".
>> > > Word is easy to discover for easy things to do. 'vi' is
>> > > *much* faster, if my 'vi' speed versus the 'Word' speed of my
>> > > compatriots is any gauge. Pull-down menus are "intuitive", where
>> > > as hot-keys are not. But, hot-keys get the work done quickly
>> > > once they're known. Pull-down menus which list their hot-key
>> > > shortcuts in the menu are quite nice for me. The Opera web
>> > > browser is one example of this.
>> > Thanks Kevin. All keybindings have to be learned. I can't use vi without
>> > constant reference to the manual. I dare say the same would be true of emacs.
>> > I dislike them both and use nedit for everything, simply because it works
>> > much more like a Windows based editor, so I had to relearn less in order to
>> > get typing when I first migrated. It's nothing to do with intuitabilty either
>> > - old habits die hard.
>> True, you have to decide wether its worth the effort. When I started
>> developing on UNIX machines I watched the old hands and relaised that 1)
>> they were all much faster than me, and 2) they (almost) all used vi. So I
>> took the effort to learn, in the knowledge that I would spend a lot of my
>> life typing. It took makes months to be able to fly vi, but now you can
>> prise it from my cold dead fingers.
>> I experience extreme discomfort when forced to use a non-modal editor,
>> and when I have to go through afterwards and remove all the ^[hhhhhhcw
>> afterwards :)
>> For anyone whos thinking of learning, dont start by trying to digest it
>> all, just start with i A yy dd, and go from there, its all pretty
>> logical when you get into it.
>
>Yes. I find vi to be very intuitive.
>
iiiiime too:wq!
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