Re: [LAU] Linux audio course Rotterdam

drew Roberts wrote:
> On Saturday 13 September 2008 23:30:52 david wrote:
>> drew Roberts wrote:
>>> On Saturday 13 September 2008 01:27:37 david wrote:
>>>> drew Roberts wrote:
>>>>> On Friday 12 September 2008 15:14:03 Bob van der Poel wrote:
>>>>>> On Fri, Sep 12, 2008 at 06:50:42PM +0200, Grammostola Rosea wrote:
>>>>>>>>> When you give a course it cost you: time, traveling costs
>>>>>>>>> (Brussels > R'dam) organization, making a course book (and copy
>>>>>>>>> it?) and linux audio usage, educational and presentation skills....
>>>>>>>>> that could deserve some money....
>>>>>>>> I agree. OTOH, one reason why the course is given in
>>>>>>>> English in the centre of the Dutch/Flemish language
>>>>>>>> region may be that a lot of the course material is
>>>>>>>> just copied from material available on the web.
>>>>>>>> In that case I just hope that Mr. Moors has all
>>>>>>>> the copyright issues sorted out.
>>>>>> Really, what is the problem here?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you think the course is too expensive ... don't go.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you can do better ... offer your own course.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you want to teach for free then do so; if you want to get paid,
>>>>>> then charge.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> If you don't want your stuff copied off the web and used in a
>>>>>> commercial manner: don't post or affix a "not for commercial use"
>>>>>> copyright. BTW, the GNU licence doesn't support this so you'll have to
>>>>>> use a different one (correct me if I'm wrong).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Isn't the whole point of freedom the ability to do what you want to
>>>>>> do?
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I have donated a lot of software over the years ... and I've sold
>>>>>> stuff as well. But, one thing I will not do anymore is to play for
>>>>>> free. Too many times I've done just that for some good cause which
>>>>>> doesn't have any budget this year ... and then next year, when they do
>>>>>> have some money, they hire and pay someone from out-of-town. I'm sure
>>>>>> the same applies to teaching.
>>>>> We all likely tend to develop our own rules of thumb over the years. I
>>>>> try not do do any windows tech support gratis for friends and family
>>>>> anymore. I have moved away from windows to avoid those problems and
>>>>> paid the price in various ways to do so. I don't see why I should pay
>>>>> for them not doing so.
>>>>>
>>>>>> Please don't confuse freedom and free beer!
>>>>> Indeed. Also, look at the speaking fees famous people get. I am sure a
>>>>> part of the fee goes to being able to say you rubbed shoulders with
>>>>> that famous person as opposed to the content of the speech you heard.
>>>>>
>>>>> And as someone has already pointed out in another way, if this course
>>>>> is successful, everyone now has a model to follow should they wish to
>>>>> do so.
>>>>>
>>>>> Re playing for free for charities and the like. Perhaps do so with a
>>>>> bill that comes due should they pay another act in the future? (If you
>>>>> value the charity that is.)
>>>> No, that probably wouldn't go anywhere. Better to work out a *price*
>>>> with the charity (based on how much you might charge normally) - and
>>>> make it a donation and documented as such by the charity. Then you get a
>>>> tax benefit (at least in the US).
>>> Got you. I would have no such tax incentives here though.
>> What - you mean you can't deduct charitable contributions wherever you
>> live?
>
> Correct. Probably because we have nothing to deduct it from as we pay no
> income tax here in the first place.

Lucky guy.

>>> However, doing it
>>> the way you say would only give you the tax advantage and might still
>>> leave you miffed next year when they actually pay out of town talent as
>>> in the original example right? Or am I missing something key?
>> Well, it would seem to me that if you give them a good, successful
>> performance that they like - you've done the best you can to avoid being
>> replaced with out-of-town talent next year. I think you'll have also
>> laid a good foundation for getting paid next year. I've been to a number
>> of charitable/non-profit organization events that had the same band(s)
>> from year to year because their members really liked them.
>>
>> Also - you performed before a good sized group of people. If they liked
>> your performance, you've increased the number of mouths available to
>> pass on good words about you to others they come in contact with.
>>
>> Also - I wouldn't be surprised if an organization unwilling to pay the
>> piper this year won't be willing to pay the piper next year. So why
>> worry if they pick someone else? If you charged them for next year,
>> sounds like they might pick someone else who would do the show free,
>> anyway.
>
> Good points. You don't have to convince me though. It was someone else who
> made the initial statement we are discussing. I just was trying to get your
> answers to match better with the initial conditions.

That's part of the fun of multi-tangled emails! Will put this back on
the list so whomever original started it can hear it.

>>> I can see how your idea could work for a person in a high tax bracket and
>>> who charged at the high end of their normal rates who would normally give
>>> a reduced rate to the charity.
>> I suppose it depends on where you live and how much you make - but worth
>> consulting your local tax advisors about, if you're performing for a
>> living.
>
> Personally, I don't have local tax advisors nor do I perform for a living. I
> have enjoyed the idea exchange though.

Cool.

-- 
David
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