Re: [LAU] CENSORING public archives (Was: Problem post)

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Am 03.02.2010 00:36, schrieb Rob:
> On Tuesday 02 February 2010 06:20 pm, Julien Claassen wrote:
>> If I post something isn't it my material, of course given for the
>> eyes of all. So shouldn't I be able to change it - at least in the
>> original archive? In other forums - not mailing lists though - I saw
>> the possibility to change posts afterwards, mainly erase stuff. Then
>> the post would have a note sticking to it: "Changed X times."
>> It's a bit more than complete idle curiousity, yet only slightly. :-)
>
> Ost's post remains unchanged in my archives, and in those of all the other
> people who subscribe to the list via email and don't delete old mail. On a
> web forum, aside from those that forward new posts to thread subscribers
> via email, the canonical version of the post is the one on the web. On a
> mailing list like LAU, it's the one that reached the subscribers' inboxes.
> I think that's the reason that feature is rare in mailing list software.
>
> Rob

The Chinese have asying:

"2 things do not return to you:

1: the arrow you have released from the bow's string
2: the word you have spoken

"

I consider it a quality of mailing lists, that you cannot easily doctor
or erase, what you have sent. Of course one should switch some brains
"ON" before sending, even though I did not do so in each and every case
I posted, I still see this principle at work when I read mailing lists
and I like it.

For the legal issues:
 in Germany, someone, who adminsters a website or any other
communication-device accessable by the public is responsible for
unlawfull posts as a so-called "Mitstörer" (co-offender). That is: such
a person is not directly liable for any offending posts but has to act
within 48h when he/she is informed, that a post is offending someone or
affecting the law. And the admin has to do so in the limits of what is
actually possible for him/her. You have to remove posts from you own
site and maybe inform mirroring sites that you know of, then you did
what you can and thats it. The rest is between the lawyer and the OP,
who's mail-adress is known.

So IF a lawyer sends you a letter (usually a signed one on paper),
telling you the post found at this or that url, is offending someone,
the lawyer works for, you have to act whithin 48h after recieving the
mail. If it is not a lawyer but a OP, that finds out his/her own post
offending/unlawfull, it is wise, to remove/censor what can be reached,
if you dont, you should be quite sure, that you can make a stand before
court in the sense of: "yes, I did know, that the OP was sure the post
was offending but I did not believe - I choose to wait for a letter from
a lawyer...". In that case the risk, to be at least charged for the
costs of the lawsuit is quite high.

This all goes for german jurisdiction and the rules are only derivatives
of practical jurisdiction, spoken by judges in actual lawsuites, they
are not hardcoded to the law.

I also think, that the risk to loose rights, you do not exercise, is
quite high. So in the given case I see a diclosure of information that
is no disclosure after all, since everybody can interpolate, where the
support for iLocked plug-ins in receptor comes from. So defending the
right of free expression against a case of utter stupidity could be a
good thing to do here. Still the post is from the OP and if he gets in
trouble, because you want to fight stupidity, it is a different matter...

best regards

"I did not say that - and also I was not here...."

        the navigator(C)(R) in Frank Herberts "Dune"(C)(R) as adapted in a
Film(C)(R) by David Lynch....

;-)
HZN
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