Re: [LAU] re Subconscious Affecting Music

Patrick Shirkey wrote:
> On Thu, September 9, 2010 10:19 am, Ken Restivo wrote:
>> On Wed, Sep 01, 2010 at 05:14:59PM +0400, Louigi Verona wrote:
>>> "It is my considered opinion and that of a large number of musicians and
>>> artists throughout the world that pop music is being used as social
>>> control."
>>>
>>> I would agree with Patrick on this one.
>>>
>>> It is not a conspiracy, it is just a matter of common interests of large
>>> corporations and powerful people.
>>> Maybe this control is not too big, its effect does dry out as I
>>> mentioned
>>> before, but it is certainly there.
>>>
>> Twas ever thus. Music is a social emulsifier, and has been so at least as
>> far back as the days of tribal drumming and chanting. It affects us
>> powerfully, physically, and at an emotional level that is very difficult
>> or impossible to contain via rational thought.
>>
>> That has not changed. What has changed is the structure of the society in
>> which the music exists.
>>
>> I agree that this social structure has changed in a way that is toxic to
>> humans-- a world run by zombie undead corporations that are not even alive
>> (maybe the sci-fi books were on to something, and the evil robots that
>> have taken over the world now have Inc, SP.A, Gmbh, and LLC in their
>> names), to the benefit of a comparatively tiny elite minority of humans
>> (comparatively: to 7 billion people, even hundreds of thousands is tiny)
>> of uber-wealthy families.
>>
>> What I don't buy is the conspiracy theories that seem to permeate the
>> right wing and left wing of politics, so Patrick's argument lost me at
>> "Rothschilds" and 'QEII". Nah, the uber-wealthy back-stab each other and
>> look out for themeselves, and they have no problem stealing from each
>> other as easily as stealing from the rest of us. Plus, there are
>> numerically a LOT of them around-- good luck coordinating hundreds of
>> thousands of people.
>>
>> So, I very much doubt that the rich elite are acting in any kind of
>> organized conspiracy. Shared interests and shared goals, perhaps, but I
>> see any coordination they might be doing, as being loose and with a great
>> deal of mutual mistrust. The rich elite have always been a back-stabbing,
>> venial, loathesome lot, at least as far back as the days when an English
>> bard documented their courtroom intrigues in some rather well-written
>> plays.
>>
>
> I would agree with you except for the pyramid does not flatten out once
> you get to a certain amount of money in the bank.
>
> Hence even the Heriditary elite are subject to the structure of the system
> and are complicit in maintaining it in order to retain their status,
> wealth, power, etc...
>
> It's a self fulfilling system. IIUC, the way the system works is so that
> the ones at the very top whether it's the same people, families or a
> rotating door get the most out of the system. The closer to the the top
> you get the more the system offers you in return for the effort you put in
> to maintain the position.
>
> Technically it's not a conspiracy because that belittles the system.
> Anyone who thinks that understanding it in it's entirety and seeing it for
> what it really is constitutes a conspiracy theorist is misunderstanding
> the term conspiracy.
>
> A really interesting conspiracy would be if certain people at the top were
> actively trying to cover up information that would lead to them being
> taken out of that position or held accountable for the heinous crimes that
> they are committing.
>
> In that case I think we have ample evidence to prove there is at least one
> large conspiracy and several other supporting conspiracies at play. It is
> not news and as you rightly say it has even been used as the motivation to
> produce some of the finest works of literature and art.
>
> IMO to deny it is happening is just a cop out by lazy or scared people who
> don't want to admit the system is really screwed up. It also ensures
> apathy can reign supreme and the status quo is maintained. It is the
> simplest and most effective way for the system to maintain it's structure.
> Hence the mass media is used to encourage and distract from that way of
> thinking. The checks and balances in place now have been carefully weaved,
> bolted and welded into place over millenia.
>
> This goes all the way back to the Sumerians which means at least 12,000
> years of documented civilisation.
>
> When the Egyptians and the Incas built the pyramids they were making a
> fundamental political statement as much as they were proving their
> technological prowess. The people at the top are still making that
> statement. Just look at Berg Kalipha...
>
> Denying it does not change the fact that it is happening.

Merely saying that it is happening doesn't confirm it, either.

-- 
David
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