Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio

Hi,

i didnt read the whole "poll", but as an audio professional in event
business i would really like to see linux in much more professional
audio applications... i cant stand that apple hype anymore... everyones
running round with iSomethings and kneeling, praying and believing...
and annoying...

and in my eyes it could be real benefit to have hardware promoted...
who knows perhapes companies like motu would do so too, if they see the
progress of other manufacturers...

and are really annoyed by google ads or facebook ads?
for me im blind for all ads, if im not looking for something...

Bye
Ck

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> 1. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Patrick Shirkey)
> 2. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Fred)
> 3. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Paul Davis)
> 4. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Patrick Shirkey)
> 5. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Paul Davis)
> 6. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Louigi Verona)
> 7. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Dan S)
> 8. Re: poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio (Patrick Shirkey)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:00:59 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "Patrick Shirkey"<pshirkey@email-addr-hidden>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio
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> On Mon, April 23, 2012 2:06 am, Fernando Lopez-Lezcano wrote:
>> On 04/22/2012 04:04 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>>> On Sun, April 22, 2012 12:52 pm, Jeremy Jongepier wrote:
>>>> On 04/22/2012 05:13 AM, Patrick Shirkey wrote:
>>>>> Do other people here have any strong opinions on the usefulness of
>>>>> advertising in the Linux Audio community?
>>>>>
>>>> Yes. I completely adhere to Robin's stance.
>>>>
>>> You do realise that many of the tools being produced by the Linux Audio
>>> Community are being used in the advertising industry which makes us all
>>> complicit in supporting it to start with.
>>>
>>> IMO we cannot avoid that fact that advertising and marketing is a very
>>> crucial component to global industry which enables the corporate world
>>> to
>>> continue to function. We should seek to manage our own channel and
>>> therefore the message and brand rather than avoid it all together out of
>>> some ridiculous fear of becoming Evil.
>> Sorry, it is not ridiculous at all.
>>
> The liklihood of the Linux Audio community succumbing to the evils of the
> mighty dollar is pretty ridiculous. We have too many checks and balances
> and are not afraid to call a spade a spade. We are certainly not beholden
> to anyone else's agenda afaict.
>
>
>>> We may even make enough money in
>>> the process to pay some of our community members and help them to be
>>> productive and motivated.
>> Managing our channel? Sorry, I don't quite understand. Do you mean
>> advertising our message on __other__ sites? What is "our message"?
>>
> The message is whatever we want it to be. If the message is that Linux
> Audio is *only* interested in non profit, volunteer or barely breaking
> even financial support from educational institutes then I guess we have
> already defined it and there is nothing more to be done.
>
> There is more to this community than just a bunch of well resourced
> academics and semi retired technical experts with enough time on their
> hands to give away everything for free.
>
>
>>> If we continue to avoid the whole issue that is exactly what the "Evil"
>>> marketing companies and corporations would like for us to do so that
>>> they
>>> can have complete control over the message, brand, content and income
>>> stream...
>> It would seem to me the issue is not being avoided at all (witness the
>> long thread I'm still reading), it is just that not all people in this
>> list - which you asked for feedback - agree with your view of the world
>> and what linuxaudio.org should/could/must be.
>>
> That's fine that people disagree with me. I knew that before I asked the
> list for feedback. I am seeking to find out how far it goes. Has it been a
> conscious choice over the years to avoid the marketing industry as much as
> possible or is it simply due to lack of expertise/interest/motivation.
>
> One thing I don't understand is why some people think that taking steps to
> make Linux Audio more attractive to advertisers in terms of providing
> access to a professionally run channel for businesses that would like to
> associate their brand with the Linux Audio platform is found to be so
> distasteful.
>
> Are we expected to believe that academia will provide all that we need and
> therefore nothing else shall be required? What of the people who would
> like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on
> their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals
> too?
>
>
>
>> Linuxaudio.org currently has (AFAIK) complete control of its brand,
>> content and message. It is being kindly hosted by vt.edu and run by
>> volunteers. But of course I don't know the details. Advertising, if
>> anything, will dilute the control of the brand content and message - the
>> way I see it of course, you will disagree. As everything else in the
>> world, who puts the money eventually controls the message, not the other
>> way around.
>>
> The Linux Audio Consortium was originally setup to promote and support
> Audio related businesses who seek to work with the Linux platform. What it
> has become is primarily a means of promoting academic research and a "non
> profit" agenda.
>
>
>> If advertising is accepted I presume linuxaudio.org will have to be
>> hosted somewhere else (out of the .edu domain). Then advertising becomes
>> a requirement for the survival of linuxaudio.org. No advertising, no
>> hosting money. The more linuxaudio.org depends on advertising to run,
>> the more it will be subject to control of its message.
>>
> That is why I have setup a new domain. linuxaudio.com was already taken
> and would cost $3130 if anyone wants to purchase it. I think the
> linux-audio.com domain is actually better suited as it provides a bit more
> distinction so there should be less confusion from members of the
> community. When it comes to people from outside looking in then they
> probably won't make a distinction. But that is not necessarily a bad thing
> as we can become "greater than the sum of our parts".
>
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Shirkey
> Boost Hardware Ltd
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:11:37 +0200
> From: Fred<f.rech@email-addr-hidden>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio
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> Le 23/04/2012 13:00, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit :
>> What of the people who would
>> like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on
>> their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals
>> too?
>>
>>
> It could be instructive to have Paul Davis advice on this item ?
>
>
>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:22:22 -0400
> From: Paul Davis<paul@email-addr-hidden>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio
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> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Fred<f.rech@email-addr-hidden> wrote:
>> Le 23/04/2012 13:00, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit :
>>> What of the people who would
>>> like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on
>>> their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals
>>> too?
>>>
>>>
>>
>> It could be instructive to have Paul Davis advice on this item ?
> my "advice" is that you all stop wasting time on this inane thread.
>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 13:29:37 +0200 (CEST)
> From: "Patrick Shirkey"<pshirkey@email-addr-hidden>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio
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> On Mon, April 23, 2012 1:22 pm, Paul Davis wrote:
>> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 7:11 AM, Fred<f.rech@email-addr-hidden> wrote:
>>> Le 23/04/2012 13:00, Patrick Shirkey a ?crit :
>>>> What of the people who would
>>>> like to earn a living from the platform if possible are they simply on
>>>> their own or are we as a commmunity able to support them in their goals
>>>> too?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>
>>> It could be instructive to have Paul Davis advice on this item ?
>> my "advice" is that you all stop wasting time on this inane thread.
> Ouch!
>
> One of the few people who has managed to make a semblance of financial
> return from the Linux Audio platform (well, most of the income comes from
> the mac port really ;-P is not interested in advertising or do you just
> think it is a foregone conclusion and therefore there is no need to waste
> time discussing it?
>
>
>
>
> --
> Patrick Shirkey
> Boost Hardware Ltd
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 07:33:37 -0400
> From: Paul Davis<paul@email-addr-hidden>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio
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> On Mon, Apr 23, 2012 at 7:29 AM, Patrick Shirkey
> <pshirkey@email-addr-hidden> wrote:
>
>> One of the few people who has managed to make a semblance of financial
>> return from the Linux Audio platform (well, most of the income comes from
>> the mac port really ;-P is not interested in advertising or do you just
>> think it is a foregone conclusion and therefore there is no need to waste
>> time discussing it?
> this is the wrong forum (and probably the wrong *type* of forum) for a
> discussion about the topic. in fact, even having a discussion about
> something like this strikes me as a waste of time. its like discussing
> whether to add two lumps of sugar or three to one's morning coffee.
>
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 15:33:49 +0400
> From: Louigi Verona<louigi.verona@email-addr-hidden>
> Subject: Re: [LAU] poll : Advertising vs Linux Audio
> To: Patrick Shirkey<pshirkey@email-addr-hidden>
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> I am reluctant to say more on the topic, but what I would say is that it is
> very weird to me that people in this thread consider money "evil", as if we
> are in the middle ages. Money is not an evil mystical power and I do not
> see how money can "spoil" things.
>
> I understand how "proprietary" approach is evil for a Linux community and
> agree with that, but money itself?
>
> As long as the ads are designed nicely and are not intrusive and are on the
> topic, especially if it is about good audio and midi hardware that works
> with GNU/Linux, I just fail to see any issues.
>
> Louigi.
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> Date: Mon, 23 Apr 2012 12:48:39 +0100
> From: Dan S<danstowell+lxau@email-addr-hidden>
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> Hi Patrick,
>
> Firstly, if this is indeed a poll of general LAU members, my vote is
> for the position articulated by Robin Gareus. Seems like quite a few
> others agree.
>
> Secondly, if it is a poll, it is extremely bad form to summarise the
> positions in terms where you deliberately describe one side as having
> extreme views about "evil blight on humanity" and "plague" and the
> other side as being much more moderate.
>
> It's also bad form to initiate a "poll" and then reply to criticise
> people who vote.
>
> Best
> Dan
>
>
> 2012/4/22 Patrick Shirkey<pshirkey@email-addr-hidden>:
>> Hi,
>>
>> Some of you may know that we are having a discussion on the Consortium
>> mailing list at the moment about the role of advertising in the Linux
>> Audio Community. Specifically the discussion is focused around the
>> possibility of having some paid ads on a *couple* of the subdomains that
>> are hosted at Linuxaudio.org.
>>
>> The views for and against appear to be very polarised. I would like to
>> know what other people who may not be monitoring the Consortium list have
>> to say about this topic.
>>
>> One camp feels that advertising is an evil blight on humanity and should
>> be avoided "where ever" possible. Although that appears to be a flexible
>> "where ever" due to having supported advertising by some supportive
>> companies in the past.
>>
>> The other camp thinks that advertising can be a useful way for the Linux
>> Audio Community to promote brands that support Linux Audio and by
>> association increase the general public awareness of the viability of
>> using Linux Audio as a business platform and another way to potentially
>> raise funds which can be used to advance the entire platform.
>>
>> Do other people here have any strong opinions on the usefulness of
>> advertising in the Linux Audio community?
>>
>> Should it be avoided like the plague or does it have some value that can
>> be integrated provided we set some boundaries?
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers
>>
>> --
>> Patrick Shirkey
>> Boost Hardware Ltd
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