Re: [LAU] zedboard fpga dev board and linux audio

On Fri, Feb 1, 2013 at 4:12 PM, Fons Adriaensen <fons@email-addr-hidden> wrote:

> On Fri, Feb 01, 2013 at 08:07:46PM +0000, Kelly Hirai wrote:
>
> > fpga seems a natural way to express in silicon, data flow languages like
> > pd, chuck, csound, ecasound. regarding the stretch, the idea that one
> > could code in c or c++ might streamline refactoring code, but i'm still
> > trying to wrap my head around designing graph topology for code that is
> > tied to the program counter register. nor do i see the right peripherals
> > for sound. perhaps the g.711 codec support is software implementation
> > and could be rewritten. need stats on the 8 bnc to dvi adapter audio
> port.
>
> There are many ways to use an fpga. I've got a friend who's a real
> wizard in this game, and his approach is quite unusual but very
> effective.
> In most cases, after having analysed the problem at hand, he'll design
> one or more ad-hoc processors in vhdl. They are always very minimal,
> maybe having 5 to 20 carefully chosen instructions, usually all of them
> conditional (ARM style), and coded if necessary in very wide instruction
> words so there's no microcode and these processors are incredibly fast.
> It takes him a few hours to define such a processor, and a few more hours
> more to create an assembler for it in Python. Then he starts coding the
> required algorithms using these processors.
> If necessary, he'll revise the processor design until it's perfectly
> matched to the problem. In all cases I've watched, this results in
> something that most other designers couldn't even dream of in terms
> of speed and efficiency - not only of the result, but also of the
> design process and hence the economics.
> All of this is of course very 'politically incorrect' - he just throws
> away the whole canon of 'high level tools' or rather replaces it with
> his own vision of it - with results that I haven't seen matched ever.
>

Gotta say, you guys impress me. I think embedded programming is pretty
tough. I bombed my FPGA class last spring--I gave up too soon for that
class, but haven't given up altogether. There's a lot of value for
rt-audio there.

One topic of research where I'm at (ITTC/KU) concerns compilation from
Haskell (a relational language) to verilog or vhdl for synthesis on
fpga's--not going through the usual chain of defining a processor but
actually building the specific functions (greater utilization this way as I
understood it). Maybe someday Faust (the audio relational language) will
have a similar compiler target like this too

All the same, it's a bit limited when compared to x86_64 instruction sets.
I think it's nearly impossible to get pd running on a fpga with decent
performance (I can speak only of the software I know well enough). But
there's the rub anyway--your x86_64 processors don't have access to
interfaces by themselves. On opencores, there's a fpga QPI endpoint.
Wouldn't it be cool to build an audio interface *directly* off the
processor's QPI lanes? I know... I'm dreaming

Chuck

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