William Light... Man.. This suggestions are super!!
I never hear before a lot of good softwares to do eletronic music in
Linux.. Thanks a Lot!!!
2013/2/5 William Light <wrl@email-addr-hidden>
> on Tue, Feb 05, 2013 at 09:58:14AM -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
> > Greetings,
> >
> > I've been reading a lot of negative (read: vitriolic) commentary
> > about the world of Linux audio development and applications. I won't
> > bother to say where, just "the usual places" will have to suffice.
> > Of greater interest to me is the commentary itself - it seems to
> > boil down to the following plaints and lamentations (in no
> > particular order) :
>
> i'd like to weigh in on some of these as well.
> as i post here infrequently, a quick bit of background on me: i am an
> electronic musician who also records real instruments, though
> infrequently. i have been running Linux exclusively throughout my music
> explorations.
>
> i use renoise at the moment.
>
> you can listen to my music at http://soundcloud.com/visinin if you'd
> like.
>
> > Too many distros.
> > Too many audio-optimized distros.
>
> i can't comment on these, having been using the same distribution (arch)
> for the past 4 or so years.
>
> > Not enough native plugins, esp. instruments.
>
> absolutely an issue. my workhorse plugin is Loomer Aspect (a
> semi-modular synthesizer), which is a native Linux VST. I own several
> more Loomer plugins and have been considering picking up a license for
> DiscoDSP Discovery.
>
> extent of the jam recently released his Digits synthesizer VST for linux
> as well (http://extentofthejam.com/ if you haven't seen it), which is
> nice. regardless, though.
>
> Linux audio has this problem of critical mass. when energyXT came out,
> nobody really released much new stuff. it was all jorgen porting stuff,
> and then jucetice. highlife, discovery, loomer plugs...all fantastic,
> certainly, but there's not much of it.
>
> it will be interesting to see what happens if and when bitwig is
> released. a lot of people are using JUCE now, and that makes porting at
> least possible.
>
> > Inconsistent support for VST/VSTi plugins.
>
> renoise's plugin support is pretty good. i would really like LV2 support
> but that's not my decision to make.
>
> > Too many unstable/unfinished applications.
>
> in order, i've used beast/BSE, seq24 routed into a bunch of fluidsynths,
> csound with blue, some toying with ardour, energyXT and finally renoise.
>
> some software i just never got working. i never figured rosegarden out
> (but for a long time it couldn't do instrument plugins), compiling MusE
> was hit or miss, LMMS is good but I had XT and renoise by then...and
> every time i use ardour i crash it somehow. it doesn't seem to like my
> little micro-editing aphex-twin-wannabe style.
>
> > Too many "standards" (esp. wrt plugins).
>
> i really like LV2 but the documentation is nigh-impenetrable. i've made
> a few comments to this effect on drobilla's blog, and i agree that an
> LV2 book would go a long way.
>
> side note: did anybody else see pitracker? somebody wrote an LV2 synth
> host that runs on the raspberry pi.
> https://github.com/Joeboy/pixperiments/tree/master/pitracker
>
> > Poor external/internal session management.
>
> haven't tried any, i work entirely inside my host.
>
> > Poor support for certain modes of composition (think Ableton Live).
>
> absolutely. everybody likes to use ableton live here, but i still think
> we're missing a really good NLE. hell, i own a REAPER license and use it
> through wineasio occasionally just because it's so comfortable. i've
> tried ardour3 but i crash it every time.
>
> > Lack of support for contemporary hardware.
>
> i have to disagree here, actually! i would first like to shout out
> daniel mack of caiaq for ensuring that all of the native instruments
> audio interfaces work on linux, and fantastically well at that. i
> recently picked up a focusrite saffire 2i2 and have had no problems at
> all with it.
>
> that said, the more pro it gets, the worse the support. i won't even
> touch FFADO, i'm sorry, it's just never worked for me. i sold an echo
> audiofire2 after i couldn't make it work and i have a secondhand
> ultralite mk1 that just gathers dust.
>
> it's interesting to me that manufacturers are starting to make
> class-compliant devices just to make them work on apple's iDevices.
>
> also, modern midi controller hardware works on a driver level but very
> few programs support it.
>
> > Confusion re: desktops, and GUI toolkits.
>
> as a dwm user, i will stay out of this one. i don't really like either
> gtk or qt though, which sort of limits my options.
>
> > Too difficult to set up audio system.
>
> i don't have any issues and i generally run vanilla kernels. lately i've
> been playing with the -ck patchset with BFS and have been very happy
> with it. i'm comfortable playing live (both djing with xwax and doing
> live monome sets with my own software, rove) with this configuration.
> maybe i'll drop the JACK buffer size a little.
>
> > JACK is a pain.
>
> at least it's not pulseaudio. also, i haven't had any trouble setting
> JACK up since i ditched my firewire interfaces. *that* was a nightmare.
> but JACK on ALSA? buttery smooth.
>
> JACK could perhaps be a bit better about autodiscovering soundcard
> parameters. maybe my memory is failing me here, but i faintly recall
> having issues when JACK couldn't get the sample format it wanted.
>
> > Too much conflict/fragmentation within the development community.
>
> maybe? i feel like it's a lot better than it used to be now that there's
> just more software around.
>
> it's interesting to me that free (source and/or beer) music software on
> OSX and windows has come further than it has on Linux. off the top of
> my head:
>
> http://psycle.pastnotecut.org/portal.php
> http://www.buzzmachines.com/
>
> is it because of the userbase? is it because of the maturity and
> availability of toolkits on other platforms? buzz's website has been
> around since 2000. what was audio on linux like then? i'm thinking it
> might be the userbase, or at least that makes more sense.
>
> anyway, i've written quite a bit more here than i've intended, but i'm
> absolutely up to discuss any of it.
>
> thanks again, dave. you've been a fixture in this scene for as long as i
> can remember.
>
> peace,
> -w
>
> > I'm not so interested in comments on the commentary, I have my own,
> > but say what you will about the list. I figure that most denizens of
> > these lists already have ready replies and responses to these and
> > other criticisms, many of which have been voiced here previously.
> > What I'm more interested in is what *you* think is missing most or
> > just plain wrong about the situation. Please, try to speak your
> > piece without flames or dissing other developers and/or their work.
> > Frankly speaking, I've had enough of that crap, and I'm most
> > thankful these days for such forum amenities as "mute user" and
> > autodiscard, along with the standard filters found in mail clients.
> >
> > <aside>
> > I'm reminded of John Cage's comments regarding the behavior of the
> > NY Philharmonic when they destroyed his equipment during the premire
> > of Atlas Eclipticalis, something to the effect that his concerns had
> > ceased to be musical and had become social, i.e. that he had to
> > figure a way to allow people to be free yet behave themselves with
> > respect towards the common goal (e.g. Cage's music and property).
> > I'm going to guess that he was still working on that up to his
> > death.
> > </aside>
> >
> > So, in your honest and bold opinion as user and/or developer, what
> > do we lack most and what can we do without that we already have ?
> > Please feel free to expand your remarks as you like. I'm planning an
> > article on the topic and will likely use selected comments, subject
> > to approval of course.
> >
> > Best,
> >
> > dp
> >
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