On 14/10/14 at 09:38pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-10-14 at 21:01 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> > On 14/10/14 at 04:57pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 07:11 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> > > > On 06/10/14 at 01:47am, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 12:40:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 09:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com>
> > > > > > > wrote:
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Your ears are probably the best tool. Some hear well, and some
> > > > > > > do not.
> > > > > > > I am amazed at the number of people who cannot tell if mp3 has
> > > > > > > ever been
> > > > > > > in the mix. To me its obvious, when your ears get tired of it,
> > > > > > > and want to
> > > > > > > "change the station" in just a minute or so, its been an mp3
> > > > > > > at some
> > > > > > > point.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense!
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > It is established without any shadow of a doubt that the overwhelming
> > > > > > > majority of the population CANNOT tell the difference between a
> > > > > > > reasonable bit-rate encoding in mp3 format and the original PCM data.
> > > > > > > This isn't up for debate.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense Paul!
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Just because several people can't distinguish cheese made of raw milk
> > > > > > with cheese made from heated milk, doesn't mean that the tests are ok.
> > > > > > I'm unable to stand heated milk, I'm unable to stand cheese made from
> > > > > > heated mild and I'm unable to stand MP3. Yes, there are double-blind
> > > > > > tests that confirm that people guess the real taste of a strawberry is
> > > > > > the artificial taste and that the natural taste is artificial. IOW if
> > > > > > you make double-blind tests with degenerated idiots, the results will be
> > > > > > idiotic.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Please post links about MP3 double-blind test done with human beings who
> > > > > > still remember how a real strawberry or banana yogurt does taste, who
> > > > > > know how a real Camembert made from raw milk does taste.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > What group of people was unable to distinguish between a good recording
> > > > > > and a MP3?
> > > > >
> > > > > Spot on Ralf! You've said it way better than I ever could.
> > > > > Once you've actually *heard* good sound, an MP3 coming from a computer
> > > > > just doesn't cut it.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > > ie spot on your cognitive dissonance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance )
> > > >
> > > > BTW, what if you all claiming this ridicoulus thing about being able to
> > > > distinguish beetween 256-320kbps (mp3) or 500kbps (ogg) meet each other at next
> > > > LAU and have a public test? I would really enjoy this double blind test with no
> > > > "degenerated idiots" around.
> > >
> > > You completely missed the point, I hope you will be able to understand
> > > the neon light example. You need to make real life tests and care about
> > > the sensitivities. What happens if you listen 16 hours with just a few
> > > short rests to an analog tape and what happens if you do this listening
> > > to MP3?
> >
> > congnitive dissonance: ie you CANNOT tell the difference so you CLAIM it's
> > a biased test because of "listening fatigue"... but it takes less than 10 minutes
> > for a 30 trial run unless you want to demonstrate Bernoulli's theorem without
> > n-> ∞
>
> I never heard a good MP3, at best they sound like a CD, always well
> audible less good than a DAT master of a good analog production, but I
> never cared about the used software or kbps, when I got MP3s. But it
> doesn't matter, there are two fronts. If people want to listen to MP3,
> if they want to listen to loudness remasters, if they want to eat
> artificial flavours, want to draw paintings under light with missing
> colours, colour spikes or flickering light, people should do. It's just
> scary that sometimes fruits and vegetables nowadays didn't grow in
> earth, are creepy breedings that indeed sometimes taste less good, than
> artificial flavours. I'm not against modern life, a lot of things became
> better, but a lot of things became less good. Btw. even if MP3s should
> be as good as the original analog or lossless DAT master, for what
> should it be good to convert to MP3? For livestreams, television ok, but
> there's no need for anything else. Oops, ok for those who consume music
> wherever they are and who need 1000 of recordings where ever they are.
> Btw. when the CD was introduced and people claimed that it is not
> possible to gouge holes into a CD without causing loss or making it
> completely unable to play the CD, there were also claims similar to the
> one you're making ;). For me this thread is finished.
>
> Regards,
> Ralf
bla bla bla, but point is: you CANNOT distinguish lossy with higher bitrates
from lossless formats.
You always end up such threads in a bunch of bullshits which doesn't ever make
the whole sense of the subject.
Meet us in LAC and do this ABX test in a session and prove youself or you'd better of
go playing with vegetables and light bulbs.
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