Re: [LAU] The future of audio plugins ?

On Wed, 19 Oct 2016 17:31:42 +0200
Robin Gareus <robin@email-addr-hidden> wrote:

> For deep learning, the analysis tool itself would be the DAW in this
> case which has context: All tracks, random data access, and it can
> control the plugins.

This is the question I have raised, which was expressed by where to
store data but extends naturally to where would the decision-making
entity reside.

Having distributed knowledge in which every part contributes to the
decision would push this kind of endeavour way out of the audio domain.

On the other hand, embedding this in a DAW imposes not only maintenance
issues (updating the DAW for updates in the decision making process)
but also restrictions regarding portability, which would limit wide
acceptance.

> There was an endeavor to standardize a very basic part: Allow a plugin
> to analyze a complete track and write its own automation data:
> http://lists.lv2plug.in/pipermail/devel-lv2plug.in/2016-February/001571.html

Thanks, this looks quite interesting. And is out of the user domain,
into development.

Using LV2 of course makes away with the notion of portability across
many well-known DAWs. But it might be the only option in open source.
Could be that none of the available licences can apply when developing
open source using VST, I don't know.
 
> Something like this would be a very basic building block: the plugin
> knows everything about itself, can do analysis and then "control"
> itself. Even without fancy inter-plugin communication this could go a
> long way: gates, adaptive de-esser, pitch-correction, noise
> cancellation, heck even a channelstip plugin.

Wouldn't some of the recent Harrison plugins adopt something vaguely
similar to this ?
 
> There are working prototype implementations (host & example plugin)
> but so far it came to nothing. Go figure.

Well, if the characteristics of the discussion here is a sign... :)
 
> The actual use-cases were eventually implemented as VAMP-plugin
> (Polarity optimizer) and plugin-internally (XT-TG Tom Gate).

Ah !

Any effort done towards was is sketched here would have to be done
using a solid base of functional plugins. There is absolutely no use
in developing plugins on top of that effort. Harrsion, Calf, for
instance.

Thanks for the link, I'll take time to go through the technical
discussion.

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