Re: [LAU] reducing xruns (System configuration)

From: David Kastrup <dak@email-addr-hidden>
Date: Fri Jul 20 2018 - 01:25:05 EEST

Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net> writes:

> Btw. if you reply to me, I don't receive a duplicated mail from the
> mailing list, since I dislike receiving two times the same email. IOW
> there will be no mailing list header in your replies to me.

There will be no mailing list _footer_. The mailing list, of course, is
in the Cc field, and you have the option to "Reply to all" in order to
reply to both sender and mailing list, or just "Reply" in order to reply
only to the sender.

That is _exactly_ the same way you respond to mail sent via the list.

> It's common practise, part of netiquette, to reply to mailing lists
> only, as long as it's not an open mailing list or as long as not a
> group of developers should take attention to a mail, to a developers
> mailing list.

Linux-audio-user is not a developer list, and it is an open list
according to its list page
https://lists.linuxaudio.org/listinfo/linux-audio-user which means that
posters to it are not necessarily subscribed.

> While this could happen by accident, you are doing it with intent
> again and again. I don't care about your continuously derogatory tone
> of voice, but its annoying when you continuously break mailing list
> headers.

I don't "break mailing list headers". I use "Reply to All" in order to
reply to all. The alternative would be "Reply", replying to just you.
Other options would be more esoteric.

The mail I replied to had the following headers regarding routing:

    From: Ralf Mardorf <ralf.mardorf@alice-dsl.net>
    To: linux-audio-user@lists.linuxaudio.org

That's it. No "Mail-Reply-To:", no "List-Reply-To:", no "Reply-To:".
The mailing list itself was in the "Sender:" header, but it's not normal
to reply to that.

> Plese reply to the mailing list only.

Look, you set your mailing list options _exactly_ to "avoid duplicates"
in order _not_ to receive duplicate mails. Now you complain that you
don't receive mails sent via the mailing list.

At some point of time, you need to decide yourself.

The way the mailing list is set up to operate, the options for replying
with standard mail clients are either _only_ to the author of a mail, or
to "all" which includes Cc: and To: fields.

If you want everybody answering you on the list to use his mail client
in non-standard manners specifically for replying to you, you have an
upstream battle before you. Alternatively, try convincing the list
owners to set up the mailing list headers differently in order to have
them match your idea of "netiquette". That would likely involve setting
at least a "List-Reply-To:" header (which is sort of the strongest
standard hint) or a "Reply-To:" header which usually is frowned upon.

Naturally, you can yourself set a "Reply-To:
linux-audio-user@linuxaudio.org" header when posting to the list in
order to express your desire _never_ to receive personal replies. Or a
"List-Reply-To:" header for expressing your desire to not receive copies
for replies to the list.

Since at the current point of time, the mailing list apparently is set
up _not_ to tamper with those headers, they are free for you to
customize in order to have the default behavior of replies to the list
match your preferences even without requiring every single one of your
correspondants to hand-edit headers just for placating you.

In general, it will be a lot easier to teach your preferences to your
mail client than every single person on the mailing list.

-- 
David Kastrup
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