Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: image problem
From: Joern Nettingsmeier (nettings_AT_folkwang-hochschule.de)
Date: Wed Oct 23 2002 - 02:17:06 EEST
hey, stop whining. your contributions are very welcome and respected.
as to your *feature requests*, well, go ahead and implement them or find
someone who does.
i think everyone appreciates food for thought, but (at least to me) the
wording of some of the opinions in this thread was rather suboptimal and
might easily provoke some strong rhetoric in defense.
let's just all take a deep breath and stop the jack bashing.
this thread has some ugly similarities to the "reborn" flamefest and
that curious religious EULA of nasca's synthesizer: it's criticizing
*people* for something we wouldn't even have if not for those very same
people.
which i think is stupid beyond comprehension when you look at it from a
distance. sometimes it just seems to evolve from discussions which
started with good-willing suggestions, and nobody notices...
it feels like time for a coffee break to me.
Ivica Bukvic wrote:
>
> > This is a fair question. First, "many people" might promote OSS, but
> that
> > doesn't mean unconditional surrender. ;) I mean, I was really quite
> > offended by Ivica's message where he proposed that JACK developers are
> > arrogant if they don't implement x and y. OSS or not, that's not very
> nice
> > considering how much free time we have spend on this.
>
> And what do you think how do I feel when I contribute to this community
> with my apps (which certainly are nothing even close in scope or quality
> to Ardour, but are my best and most honest shot at it), spend most of my
> time promoting Linux, conceiving a Linux & Multimedia class at my
> University and teaching it, convincing my mentor that the Linux is the
> way to go by purchasing new Linux machines, and evangelizing
> Linux/Alsa/Jack among my peers, and all this without any compensation
> whatsoever? Do you think my time is any less valuable than yours?
>
> Besides, I was, and still am the advocate of Alsa. But even Alsa
> supports OSS apps (to some extent), so I have no clue as to why you are
> placing me in the OSS camp. If you read my post carefully, you'd realize
> that I am talking about good quality apps that will simply not be usable
> with Jack framework which is a shame, and as such would limit user's
> ability to unlock the full potential of Linux audio...
>
> The arrogance I spoke of you managed to misinterpret rather well. What I
> spoke of is the fact when addressing this issue to Jack developers, you
> get cornered into a situation where you are "damned if you do present
> the issue, and damned if you don't" while at the same time Jack
> developers simply suggest the impossible: why don't you port all those
> 1000+ apps to Jack? So if I come out with a suggestion, then I get
> flamed all over for it, but if I keep quiet, then I cannot use it for
> what I need it for.
>
> If that did not come of as described above, then I do apologize.
>
> Every wish for contribution that came from my mouth was in a form of
> suggestion/criticism/request for a feature, because that is the most
> comprehensive and quickest way of presenting the case. After all,
> stroking egos will not make Jack any better... Every one of those was
> met with a strong opposition and defensive behavior. I want to
> contribute, but if the project developers to whose project I want to
> contribute to marginalize my suggestion for contribution, then what's
> the point?
>
> Ico
-- Jörn Nettingsmeier Kurfürstenstr 49, 45138 Essen, Germany http://spunk.dnsalias.org (my server) http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/ (Linux Audio Developers)
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