Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] [OT] marketing hype
From: Marek Peteraj (marpet_AT_naex.sk)
Date: Thu Jun 10 2004 - 04:59:14 EEST
On Thu, 2004-06-10 at 01:40, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Wed, 2004-06-09 at 18:26, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > I've never seen such inapt community btw, which is totally ignorant in
> > organizing itself. See the gnome community which started to exist the
> > same year. They have more conferences per year, one of them being
> > huge(guadec) with sponsors, larger companies involved, and *most* of
> > *all* they're a centralised community.
> >
> > What we have is tons of links and no information. Although there are
> > some very good standards which could be successful even in another
> > domain(e.g. jack), nobody cares to promote them.
> >
> > Lots of LADders even think that this mailing list isn't really
> > important. Nobody cares that it actually represents a pretty central
> > meeting point for developers interested in linux audio, and a perfect
> > knowledgebase.
> >
> > We also have an organisation, which isn't really an organisation since
> > it's not a legal entity, and about 2/3rds of all don't seem to even
> > participate. And that organisation seems to have different goals than
> > promoting and protecting linux audio in *general*, *whether* pro or not,
> > i.e. the linux audio community.
> >
> > Centralising information and provoding easy access is a pretty good way
> > to promote linux audio so that it reaches more developers and users, you
> > don't need marketing hype for that. No matter if it concerns linux audio
> > in general or ladspa plugins.
>
> What exactly is preventing you (yes, YOU, Marek Peteraj) from "promoting
> linux audio in *general*" etc. etc.? Not much that I can see. I don't
> want to speak on behalf of anyone here; but I'm sure there are plenty of
> people here who DON'T CARE. ie me. I don't care if every idiot who'se
> ever bought an Electronic Musician magazine uses LAD software. I don't
> want to waste my time letting them know about it. You do? Fantastic,
> then shut up and do it already.
>
> All the other super communities you love that are so much better than
> LAD can have their conferences, sponsors, "larger companies", "legal
> identities" and whatever other stupid MBA-speak you've come up with. I
> just kinda like hacking FOSS audio stuff, whether or not it jives with
> your plan for world domination or not.
>
> > > Personally speaking, as a free software developer I don't care if my
> > > programs are deemed as sucessful, they work for me, and handful of other
> > > people - this makes me happy :)
> >
> > I'd like to see what other developers of the most popular linux audio
> > projects think. Because if they share your opinion, i'd rather save some
> > bucks and buy myself a mac.
> > Linux audio is perfectly unusable for me. Currently.
> >
> > Marek
>
> I would like to personally apologize for not dedicating my free time to
> making you happy. This is the linux audio DEVELOPERS list, and it's
> just that, a mailing list for developers. Just a bunch of people with a
> common interest.
>
> Want the easy route out? Want to just go buy a Mac and get some spiffy
> music making programs and be on your way? Then do it! Oh so sorry the
> free ride didn't work out for you, better luck next time. If you want a
> plug-in-and-drool computer, you're not running the right OS.
>
> Suggestions are good, ideas are good, discussion is good. Bitching and
> moaning that "Linux audio is perfectly unusable for me", and implying
> that somehow everyone on this list needs to make it their goal in life
> to spend all their _free time_ making a bunch of nameless random idiots
> happy is not good. Especially when you don't make a single valid
> suggestion while doing so.
>
> (My apoligies to all for the ESR style 'self appointed voice of the
> community' crap...)
>
>
> -DR- (Who debated hitting "send" on this one for a good 5 minutes)
>
Point taken.
Marek
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