Le 5 août 08 à 12:28, Patrick Shirkey a écrit :
> On Tue, 2008-08-05 at 13:09 +0300, Sampo Savolainen wrote:
>> Quoting Patrick Shirkey <pshirkey@email-addr-hidden>:
>>
>>> Ouch. The blog is just keeping track of recent developments that
>>> have
>>> been made that use water as a source of fuel.
>>>
>>> You're right that hydrogen is the actual power source but as
>>> hydrogen is
>>> very nicely and efficiently compressed into water it make sense
>>> to call
>>> water a fuel.
>>>
>>> If you look through the archives you will see that there are people
>>> running motors with water. Straight out of a bottle and run
>>> through this
>>> new circuit that you label childish with enough power to charge a
>>> piston
>>> and spin a rotor.
>>
>> What bothered me about these experiments that there was absolutely no
>> description of what they were doing.
>>
>> You've been able to run cars on hydrogen for decades:
>>
>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjfONpsFvyM
>
>
> According to one resource the first ever piston engine was run on
> hydrogen as oil hadn't been discovered when it was built back in
> the 17
> hundreds. I haven't verified this claim though it does seem plausible.
>
> There were also perfectly good electric cars manufactured by ford
> in the
> 1920's that were eventually taken out of production apparently because
> there wasn't enough demand.
>
>>
>> "Enough power to charge a piston and spin a rotor"? Where is that
>> power
>> coming from exactly? If you use water as the fuel, you need an
>> alternative
>> energy source to extract the oxygen and hydrogen. By the laws of
>> thermophysics, you will need _more_ energy to do the extraction
>> than what
>> you will get from burning the hydrogen (as burning hydrogen is the
>> exact
>> opposite reaction).
>>
>> If they would actually be using water as a fuel for an internal
>> combustion
>> engine - they would have invented a perpetual motion device as
>> their exhaust
>> would be the same stuff as their fuel. And we all know that's not
>> possible,
>> right?
>
> No one is claiming the over unity prize yet. What they have found is a
> way to instantly split a water atom and burn the hydrogen at the same
> time. It's clearly a very revolutionary concept and appears at first
> glance to go against the 2nd law of physics. But there is more to it
> than that and the details are only just emerging. However several
> people
> have claimed they understand what is going on and that it is perfectly
> within the laws. I'm not at that point yet but I will make a concerted
> effort to understand it so that I can post it on the blog to save
> others
> some time.
>
>>
>> What they are doing is electric motor conversion using hydrogen as
>> a medium
>> to use old style engines. I guess that has it's uses. That seems
>> to be what
>> the company Jack Nicholson was promoting was trying to do.
>>
>
> This is slightly different but along the same lines. In this case
> there
> is no need to store hydrogen as it can be instantly extracted from
> water
> using this new circuit.
>
>>> The people doing the research and experimentation are doing it open
>>> source style with limited funding and resources usually in the
>>> garage at
>>> home. It may look unprofessional at first glance but if you look
>>> deeper
>>> you will see there is some very professional work being achieved.
>>
>> Don't get me wrong. I want nothing more than get rid of our
>> dependency on
>> gasoline and other fossil fuels and have non polluting options.
>>
>> I'd like more details than videos of bubbling canisters and
>> "exposions".
>> Open Source means, open source, I just see videos and no
>> explanation to what
>> they are doing and _how_. Without explanations the videos look
>> like playing
>> around with dangerous things (electricity, hydrogen) for no good
>> reason.
>>
>
> Thanks for this feedback. I will try to provide more details. The blog
> is only a couple of weeks old so there is still lots of room for
> improvement.
>
>> The MIT stuff is way cool though. That looks like it could (and
>> should)
>> change the way we power our lives. But that's using solar energy
>> as the
>> energy store, using water as a battery and hydrogen as a fuel.
>>
>> I'll try to stop now.
>>
>> Sampo "OT" Savolainen
>
>
"Yet another miracle solution for the energy problem that nodoby ever
found before or maybe *they* already found but just kept it
secret..." that obviously contradict the " 2nd law of physics."... or
maybe even another one??
Are you sure this "stupid" OT discussion should be continued on this
list?
Stephane
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