RE: [linux-audio-user] Acid for Linux ? - Pitch shift

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Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Acid for Linux ? - Pitch shift
From: Brian Redfern (
Date: Wed Dec 11 2002 - 21:49:53 EET

Probably something embedded in the .wav header file, since I'm able to
import the files from the acid cdrom into terminatorX.

On Wed, 11 Dec 2002, Mark Knecht wrote:

> Tim,
> Acid Loops are importable into Pro Tools so I don't think they are that
> proprietary. Just mono or stereo wave files with some extra info. Including
> these loops in Ardour or Rosegarden probably wouldn't be that difficult
> technically, although Ardour would have to address stereo issue more
> directly I think.
> The license agreement for Acid Loops usually says something like "The
> loops are royalty free for inclusion in music you make. You may not, however
> distribute them in any other form than a final completed piece of music."
> Meaning you can't make copies and give them to other Acid users. Personally,
> I think the libraries are inexpensive enough that people really don't need
> to do that anyway.
> The biggest issue that hasn't been addressed here is that the biggest
> pain with Acid is actually managing the loop library and finding what you
> need. I've purchased drum loop libraries with 500 loops on a CD. How do you
> find the right loop to include in your song? This is the biggest problem.
> There really is no Acid solution today.
> In the hardware synth world, Roland and others have features on their
> synths that allow you to find 'similar' sounds, so that when you are working
> with something close, the box can suggest others. That's cool.
> With drums, however, you're looking for back beats, fills, stuff that
> works in a verse or a chorus. It's a big pain in the rear.
> Some really nifty solution in that area would be really attractive.
> Mark
> -----Original Message-----
> From:
> []On Behalf Of Darren
> Landrum
> Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:40 PM
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> Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Acid for Linux ? - Pitch shift
> On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 10:33 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:
> > This is a point I made earlier, and I completely agree with you.
> Oh, sorry, I must have missed it. And here I was, thinking I was
> keeping tight track of this thread. :)
> > Acid library compatibility
> > would be a major advantage. Huge.
> Absolutely, but I have a feeling that reverse-engineering their
> proprietary format (mentioned earlier by Gerasimos) would invite legal
> attack. Now, since this format is used on only *some* Acid libraries,
> we could still take advantage of other parts of the total libraries
> available. But the person using them would need to legally buy their
> own copies.
> > This is a pretty standard topic of conversation, both in the Acid world
> > and in the GigaStudio world. (Wanna talk about another good app to get
> > on Linux?) ;-)
> What, an open library of loops, samples, and patches? And yes, a good,
> high-end sampler would be really nice for Linux. Isn't someone working
> on one?
> > Please keep in mind that we do NOT want to encourage the copying and
> > distribution of copyrighted material, which is most of the existing
> > libraries, and also of most of the stock programmed synth sounds. I.e.
> > -
> > as much as I love some of the Nord Lead 3 sounds, it's not really
> > allowed that someone just record them and then make loops. (Or at least
> > that needs to be checked.)
> Again, I'm in agreement. In theory, once you buy a copy of a library,
> the loops on it become "royalty free" (whatever that means), but I have
> a feeling there are still strings attached.
> And as far as I know, the factory patches of any synthesizer can be
> used in music, whether that be loops or complete songs. And even if
> they're not, I don't see how Clavia can prevent someone from using
> their own personal patches for such a use. They made and sold the
> synthesizer specifically with the intention of it being used on stage
> and for recordings.
> > IMO You are on base.
> First, second, or third? ;)
> Thanks for the feedback. I think I'll get started on a design for the
> Open Loop Library idea and present it at some not-too-distant future
> point.
> -Darren

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