Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] loop creation under Linux
From: Rob Ray (rob_AT_deadtech.net)
Date: Wed Jan 14 2004 - 23:36:15 EET
Ahhhh.... If only 9 out of 10 electronic musicians who have been making
tracks longer than 6 months simply didn't care...
I just put an email into Ableton to see if they had any plans for a
linux port.
It can only help asking... While I have serious doubts about the
possibility it would become an open source application, on rare occasion
I would actually go closed source on my linux box. (While not preferred,
I'd do it.) And Live 3 would probably be one of those apps.
derek holzer wrote:
> OK...drifting back on topic [slowly....]
>
> noname wrote:
>
>> I came across some posts about gdam when I was looking for a Linux
>> alternative to Ableton's Live. Some of the posts talked about time
>> stretching, but I can't remember if gdam has time stretching
>> capabilities or not. Website: http://gdam.ffem.org/
>
>
> Gdam [if you can get it running stable... currently it is totally broken
> under Gentoo] has a very nice DJ-style "pitch control" for modifying
> playback speeds. But it still alters pitch, so it is not technically
> time-stretching.
>
> Personally I find Ableton the most bone-headed software ever made! In
> blind taste-tests, 9 out of 10 electronic muscians who have been making
> tracks longer than 6 months can spot a piece made in Ableton, simply
> because it is only good for one thing: time-synching whatever kinds of
> loops you throw into it with a lockstep four-to-the-floor beat. Beyond
> that, it is a creative cul-de-sac. </rant>
>
>> Does Csound offer time stretching?
>
>
> Yes, and so does PD. Look for an external called Syncgrain(s?) on the
> net, by Frank Barknecht, which offers a granular synthesis approach to
> changing playback speed w/o changing pitch. My own PD abstraction
> Particle Chamber [also based on granular synthesis] can also do similar
> time-stretches, but is made more for creating abstract sounds and
> textures.
>
>> On Jan 14, 2004, at 5:23 PM, Glenn McCord wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a loop based editor similar to Sonic Foundry's Acid either
>>> in existance or under development?
>>
>
> Many sample editors [Audacity, Ardour and Rezound, probably also Sweep,
> and also Ecasound] can change the playback length, but I am not sure if
> they all do this independent of pitch. Ardour in particular uses a
> library which is quite effective at time-stretching independent of
> pitch. Check the archives of this list for a thread called "stretching
> sound" for more details.
>
>>> What I'm looking for is Acid's ability to stretch/compress loops
>>> depending on the metronome therefore being able to take any loop and
>>> use it to any metronome speed.
>>
>
> AFAIK, there is not something which does this in such a "user-friendly"
> fashion as Acid. That said, I would also like to take this opportunity
> to dish on Acid a bit as well ;-)
>
> Seriously, though... back in my cracked-software-days, I spent some time
> playing in Acid. I found the arrangement possibilities alright, at least
> if you were into breakbeats and such. But its *worst* feature was its
> time-stretching algorithms, which would hopelessly distort any sound
> with even the most minor adjustments without a *lot* of tweaking around.
>
> I often found it was better to set my tempo, figure out how long my bars
> needed to be and time-stretch the samples in a sample editor with far
> better time-stretch algorithms. If I were doing breakbeats now, I would
> probably experiment until I found a tempo I was happy with, use Ardour
> to time-stretch, and do my arrangements in Hydrogen. A two-step process
> [no pun intended!], but one that would probably give pretty good results.
>
>>> I read Acid is a failure under wine.
>>
>
> Wine is fine, but lysergic acid diethylamide is quicker.
> Hardee-har-har... :-)
>
> D.
>
>
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