Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] [ot] Is DJ-ing commercial use of music tracks?
From: R Parker (rtp405_AT_yahoo.com)
Date: Sun Jan 25 2004 - 00:15:49 EET
--- Jan Depner <eviltwin69_AT_cableone.net> wrote:
> Hey Ron, try to be a bit less reserved, don't hold
> back, you'll get high
> blood pressure :-D
hehe; i am one of three of the band Three Dorks. I
speak out of turn. I want commons licensed potatos and
a chef (DJ) to prepare me cost-free meals. I am sick
of eating snow soup and having a sexless life.
ron
> Jan
>
>
> On Sat, 2004-01-24 at 13:54, R Parker wrote:
> > Hi,
> >
> > Mark, the following is my pre-coffee knee jerk
> > reaction to your proposals. I got a little pissed
> off
> > and irresponsible but feel my positions are worthy
> of
> > consideration. I can't apologize for my feelings.
> > Reguardless, I don't want what I stated to be
> directed
> > at you...when the field is dry, water it. My
> reactions
> > always suck but for some reason I have no aversion
> to
> > looking the part of a fool.
> >
> > > Yeah but that's "old world" crud that helps
> keeps
> > > bookkeepers and
> > > lawyers in business. Perhaps in the days of
> > > expensive paper music
> > > manuscript and vinyl this auditing procedure had
> > > some vaildity but
> > > these days where the penny per beat ratio is so
> low
> > > it's obnoxious
> > > (to me) that these archaic payment restrictions
> > > still exist at all.
> >
> > I pay much more for bandwidth than I ever did for
> > sheet music and vinyl.
> >
> > > > But this music had another license, which
> > > > explicitly wasn't intended to promote
> "commons".
> > >
> > > Exactly, and I would like to think part of the
> "new
> > > world" game is
> > > to spread the exposure of this musical commons,
> not
> > > to tie it up
> > > and inhibit it with an artifical non-musical
> > > bureaucracy of paper
> > > work shufflers that have nothing to do with
> either
> > > the creation
> > > or the presentation of said music.
> >
> > This would be a fine enough impetus for war if
> > musicians aren't its greatest victim. They are!
> >
> > > These days, creating music is so ubiquitous that
> > > it's more of a
> > > priviledge for the artist to get their music
> > > exposed, at all,
> > > rather than a priviledge for the listener to
> partake
> > > of the artists
> > > work, or at least it's becoming moreso (again,
> in my
> > > view).
> >
> > That doesn't feel much different than indentured
> > servitude. I saw the first commercial album
> produced
> > with Ardour in a juke box a couple days ago. I
> loved
> > it! I might go back and take a picture. The bar is
> a
> > neighborhood dump that's been in business since
> 1938.
> > Anyway, while producing that album the artist and
> I
> > went dumpster diving and shoplifting food
> together,
> > several times. The artist is a U.S. illegal alien
> whos
> > teeth are turning yellow and falling out. He's
> about
> > 30 years old. Next time I see him, I'll tell him
> his
> > wrotten teeth are the price of priviledge.
> >
> > >That "obnoxous bureaucratic system" already
> > > exists for those
> > > who want direct payment for their works of
> art... I
> > > don't see how
> > > these restrictions apply to music, or art in
> > > general, in the commons.
> >
> > If we met drunk in a bar and you used the word
> > obnoxous in the above context, I'd give you the
> > beating of your life. Or, I'd force you to beat
> me.
> >
> > > I would like to think the point of music in the
> > > commons is that
> > > there are no inhibitions or restrictions to
> people
> > > hearing it !
> >
> > I see nothing but inhibitions and restrictions for
> > people to hear commons licensed music because
> artists
> > can't afford to finance the ideal you describe.
> > Discussing altnerative methods of payment isn't an
> > option because I'm hungry and need to eat. If you
> are
> > not or haven't experienced sustained years of
> poverty
> > and hunger as a result of being an artist, I don't
> > want you speaking for me.
> >
> > > --markc
> >
> >
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