Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Linux DAW FX box how to for noobs...New Link...
From: Russell Hanaghan (hanaghan_AT_starband.net)
Date: Tue Sep 14 2004 - 10:00:29 EEST
On Monday 13 September 2004 12:20 pm, R Parker wrote:
> Hi Eric,
>
> --- Eric Dantan Rzewnicki <rzewnickie_AT_rfa.org> wrote:
> > On Sun, Sep 12, 2004 at 09:18:21AM -0700, Russell
> >
> > Hanaghan wrote:
> > > On Sunday 12 September 2004 05:24 am, R Parker
> >
> > wrote:
> > > > Hi Russell,
> > >
> > > The item about Ardour you mention concerns
> >
> > me...primarily because I don't wish
> >
> > > to violate any of these type of rules / laws/
> >
> > policies; Is that really
> >
> > > applicable here? My intent is to describe how I
> >
> > personally used this
> >
> > > application to create an Effects box...NOt "how
> >
> > one should use Ardour in the
> >
> > > intended, technically correct manner intended by
> >
> > the Author(s)." But again, I
> >
> > > do not wish to piss anyone off here...that would
> >
> > be kinda counter
> >
> > > productive! :) Perhaps Paul can offer his
> >
> > thoughts??
> >
> >
> > As I understand it, Paul has been working on Ardour
> > more than full time
> > for at least the past 4+ years ...
> > *on_his_own_funding*! Along the way
> > he has made huge contributions to the linux audio
> > code base in the form
> > of extensive work on jackd, alsa drivers and various
> > libraries. Not to
> > mention the fact that his participation in the
> > community as a very
> > experienced and knowledgable programmer increases
> > everyone's knowledge
> > base.
>
> Exactly! He's made a significant contribution and that
> makes it very easy to understand his wish to control
> the documentation for Ardour.
>
> Perhaps one way to do
>
> > this would be to
> > write up docs on my use case, not publish it myself,
>
> Not publishing them ourselves is important. You
> obviously appreciate his position.
>
> > but instead give it
> > to him to include in his docs as an example to put
> > in the appendix or
> > something. Maybe you could do the same with your
> > section on your use of
> > ardour. I'm not sure if Paul would accept it, but it
> > can't hurt to offer
> > it to him.
>
> It might save you some work to ask him before you
> write anything.
>
> Before jackd was written, I had outlined and written
> many chapters for a book titled Professional Audio in
> Linux (PAIL). The book was designed around Ardour and
> I put a great deal of time and effort into the
> project. Before I could publish, Paul asked that
> nobody document Ardour. For various reasons it didn't
> bother me at all to have my efforts nullified; 1.
> Ardour is not my project, 2. I didn't have to finish
> this big assed book and could refocus my attention on
> using Ardour.
>
> I don't mean to speak for Paul Davis or anyone else.
> Especially when what I'm saying could discourage
> someone from making an appreciable contribution. I'm
> just trying to relay the message.
>
> > Anyway, the point is that your attitude of trying to
> > offer something
> > back to the community is a good one. We users who
> > are willing to do this
> > just have to find the ways of helping that fit the
> > needs of the
> > developers and other users.
> >
> > You've inspired me to get my butt back in gear and
> > do more to help than
> > I have been.
> >
> > > The "effects box" idea is a greater attractant
>
> Russell, I'm curious why you choose to use Ardour
> rather than Jack Rack for routing audio to effects. It
> seems to me that Jack Rack might be a better choice
> because it's designed to do what you need.
>
> I imagine there's more than one way to control levels
> into or from Jack Rack and there would be a way to
> create sends. Maybe I don't know exactly what you're
> doing.
>
> ron
It's late and it's been a hard day at the salt mine. :)
Basically, the midi control I use from my old Digitech pedal to turn various
fx on and off and the greater flexibilty of Ardour's routing capabilities.
Stereo masters and what not. Also if I wish to record live material, I'm
right in the application I need to do that as well.
I was using Alsa Modular synth for awhile. It had much more flexible midi
control options...just got to a point where Ardour had become my staple
application. I have stated many times before that this is a _gross_ under use
of Ardour...but it sure looks purdy and impresses the crap out of the many
curious musicians that ask "whut dus dat do??".
>
> > IMHO because there are a great
> >
> > > many musco's that have had some time messing on a
> >
> > PC in some form or
> >
> > > other...but unless they had the big bux...the
> >
> > performance was not that great.
> >
> > > They probably did not persist too much...
> > > Someone around here had made the statement that
> >
> > "Turn that old 486 into a
> >
> > > reverb 'cause it aint good for nothin
> >
> > else!"...this is a valid concept in
> >
> > > Linux...AND doable on a 486! It is beyond
> >
> > capabilty and sense of reason in
> >
> > > Winblows! Can't even run XP or 2000 on 486 much
> >
> > less DAW software that uses
> >
> > > RT DSP. If they learn how to do the fx thing, the
> >
> > recording / messing /
> >
> > > experimenting thing will come naturally and they
> >
> > will have the hard work
> >
> > > done.
> >
> > On this note, I have 25Mhz 486 w/12MB of RAM that
> > has served as my
> > firewall/router for 4.5 years. It's soon to be
> > replaced by a shinier,
> > newer, faster classic pentium 200MHz w/64MB of RAM.
> > Last night I was
> > thinking of how to keep it useful. I came up with
> > the idea of writing
> > some script that generates some kind of audio in
> > realtime continuously
> > to be streamed over the net. I'm thinking of trying
> > to get it to boot
> > over the network from an image on my file server and
> > run in ram ... or
> > maybe an NFS or other share.
> >
> > This should probably go in another thread, but does
> > anyone know what to
> > shoot for? How much realtime dsp can a box like this
> > reasonably handle?
> > Could it run hermes from a python ECI script with
> > ecasound controllers
> > controlling the parameters?
> >
> > Anyway, this is an interesting thread. Thanks
> > everyone.
> >
> > -Eric Rz.
>
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