Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Re: [linux-audio-dev] RME is no more
From: John Check (j4strngs_AT_bitless.net)
Date: Wed Dec 15 2004 - 20:04:51 EET
On Wednesday 15 December 2004 02:13 am, Marek Peteraj wrote:
> > >> >> > > A society where you put money higher than cooperating with
> > >> >> > > other people is not a good society, in my opinion.
> > >> >> >
> > >> >> > Socialism - it ain't pretty...
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Really. I was going to point out that that is exactly what Karl
> > >> >> Marx (or was that Groucho) said. You can see how well that worked
> > >> >> out.
> > >> >>
> > >> >> Jan
> > >> >
> > >> >Yeah... it's one of the most pervasive and influential concepts in
> > >> > modern politics. Aspects of it are implemented in almost every
> > >> > country on the face of the earth.
> > >>
> > >> Q. Why do all the really successful, accomplished, talented people
> > >> leave Sweden?
> > >
> > >Because they don't?
> >
> > Check out how many of them live in Monaco to avoid the crushing taxes
> > of Sweden.
>
> Crushing taxes, excellent public services.
> Can you imagine how big Monaco would be if all the really successful,
> talented and accomplished people left Sweden in order to live in Monaco?
> Let's check the numbers:
> Population:
> 32,270 (July 2004 est.)
> French 47%, Monegasque 16%, Italian 16%, other 21%(let's assume they all
> come from Sweden)
> So that's a 6000/8.000.000 ratio.
>
> > >> Q. Why don't many of the world's great doctors live in Canada.
> > >
> > >Because they do?
> >
> > Wrong. Most are in countries where they can be paid the highest
> > salary.
>
> You just told me that:
> 1. Most of Canada's greatest doctors live in the US,
> 2. If you care about your health, forget about Canada.
>
> > Some very few are altruistic but that's their choice.
>
> If you want to be a great doctor, being altruistic is a part of your
> job. A careless doctor is the worst thing that can happen to you if you
> really need help.
>
> > >> A. Can you say socialized medicine? I knew you could.
> > >
> > >Health insurance anyone?
> >
> > Health insurance is paid for by me, for me. Socialized medicine is
> > paid for by you and everyone else for me or anyone else. Big difference.
>
> No. This is not how insurance works. Treatment of deseases can be very
> costly(depending on how serious a given desease is, duration and
> complexity of treatment), a lot more than one could afford even if he'd
> sum up all payments made during a 30 year period.
>
> Cyclical/regular accumulation of financial resources based on such
> payments in turn allows to finance costly treatments of deseases which
> always appear in a irregular/fluky manner.
>
> The difference is when such payment becomes legal duty. The motivation
> behind this is that there'll always be able-bodied persons who will find
> themselves in a difficult social situation not because of their own
> fault or choice, and in that case such social system will protect them
> so that they won't die on the street. Of course, on the other hand, you
> have to share a bit of your luck in return for such social system.
>
> This is all simplified but you get the idea.
>
> > >> Q. Why should I listen to political lectures from twenty-somethings
> > >> (or thirty-somethings for that matter)?
> > >
> > >Check my country of origin and you'll figure out the rest.
> >
> > I know your country of origin. How many countries have you traveled
> > to in the last 30 years? I've worked on six continents (I don't really
> > want to go to Antarctica).
>
> I've been to many countries, including a few states in the US.
>
> The question is, how many countries you have been to have had a regime
> at least comparable to the regime present in former communist countries
> during 1948-1989? For how long have you lived there?
>
> > Which leads right back to the original
> > reason for all of this.
>
> One thing is for sure. You've never been to former czechoslovakia(before
> 1989) and sweden. ;)
> (I might be wrong of course but in such case your opinions would really
> surprise me)
>
> Marek
You guys want the Linux Audio OT Debate list.
Look captialism sucks, communism sucks, life sucks, get a fscking helmet
and pick you battles wisely.
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