Re: [LAU] Re: That must suck. For me it's about beauty -- music is justone path

El Mié 04 Abr 2007 15:50, Charles Linart escribió:
 | .>>To put it bluntly if every morning you were
 | .>>being prematurely woken up by a beautiful bird song of a bird who lives
 | on a .>>tree next to your window, I am pretty sure that you would
 | eventually learn .>>to dislike that sound as much as you currently dislike
 | the sound of your .>>alarm clock.
 |
 | Speaking from personal experience, I have to disagree. A life in
 | harmony with nature, directed by nature's rhythm is a happy and
 | beautiful life. Never been happier than during the period of my life
 | when the rooster was my alarm clock -- never gotten up so early,
 | either. The reason the alarm clock is so disturbing is that it throws
 | us off that groove.
 |
 | We are a part of nature and any creative expression is a reference to
 | that primal connection.

Good point, so: there is a primal connection really? Also, factories were
made by humans, and so they are a part of nature, all is part of nature...
so, factories, cities, cars, etc., have a primal connection too?

 | Maybe that's why music made by human beings
 | can be so pleasing compared to music made by machines. Sometimes the
 | MIDIfied stuff just sounds like a big, glorified clock to me.
 

Jajaja, you are right, all those MIDI ringtones from celular phones too...
it's not so beautiful...

 | On 4/4/07, Ivica Ico Bukvic <ico@email-addr-hidden> wrote:
 | > > Marcos Guglielmetti escribe:
 | > > > Maybe noise is beauty... I dont know... the sounds of the ocean are
 | > > > like noice, just like the wind too... I think this is beautiful,
 | > > > but, because
 | > >
 | > > I
 | > >
 | > > > dont like the car's, bus, planes, trains, etc., sounds, I think
 | > > > there is almost no beauty into the industrial age sounds (factories,
 | > > > etc.)
 | >
 | > It seems likely that you don't like these sounds because of their
 | > psychoacoustic association. To put it bluntly if every morning you were
 | > being prematurely woken up by a beautiful bird song of a bird who lives
 | > on a tree next to your window, I am pretty sure that you would
 | > eventually learn to dislike that sound as much as you currently dislike
 | > the sound of your alarm clock. All sounds we are aware of are simply a
 | > combination of sine tones perceptible by our ears. Therefore, the only
 | > difference between a sound of an ocean and a steam engine is ultimately
 | > their "recipe." If you consider all sounds on this, much more equal
 | > plane, then it becomes rather apparent that all sounds have beauty that
 | > simply needs to be uncovered regardless of their source. This art is
 | > also known as acousmatic music (or a sound removed from its source).
 | >
 | > > You've discovered the point. Men are capable of creating beauty but
 | > > unfortunately nature is much more capable. The harder you try to
 | >
 | > My take is that art is our attempt at emulating nature and realizing our
 | > ineptness (pointlessness?) in matching its beauty. For this reason, we
 | > tend to use art as our response (perception?) to nature. In this
 | > respect, man-made contraptions are just another extension of nature and
 | > its laws.
 | >
 | > Ico
 | >
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