[LAU] Re: Lossy audio to lossless format

On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 07:11 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> On 06/10/14 at 01:47am, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 12:40:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 09:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@email-addr-hidden>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > Your ears are probably the best tool. Some hear well, and some
> > > > do not.
> > > > I am amazed at the number of people who cannot tell if mp3 has
> > > > ever been
> > > > in the mix. To me its obvious, when your ears get tired of it,
> > > > and want to
> > > > "change the station" in just a minute or so, its been an mp3
> > > > at some
> > > > point.
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense!
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > It is established without any shadow of a doubt that the overwhelming
> > > > majority of the population CANNOT tell the difference between a
> > > > reasonable bit-rate encoding in mp3 format and the original PCM data.
> > > > This isn't up for debate.
> > >
> > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense Paul!
> > >
> > > Just because several people can't distinguish cheese made of raw milk
> > > with cheese made from heated milk, doesn't mean that the tests are ok.
> > > I'm unable to stand heated milk, I'm unable to stand cheese made from
> > > heated mild and I'm unable to stand MP3. Yes, there are double-blind
> > > tests that confirm that people guess the real taste of a strawberry is
> > > the artificial taste and that the natural taste is artificial. IOW if
> > > you make double-blind tests with degenerated idiots, the results will be
> > > idiotic.
> > >
> > > Please post links about MP3 double-blind test done with human beings who
> > > still remember how a real strawberry or banana yogurt does taste, who
> > > know how a real Camembert made from raw milk does taste.
> > >
> > > What group of people was unable to distinguish between a good recording
> > > and a MP3?
> >
> > Spot on Ralf! You've said it way better than I ever could.
> > Once you've actually *heard* good sound, an MP3 coming from a computer
> > just doesn't cut it.
> >
>
> ie spot on your cognitive dissonance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance )
>
> BTW, what if you all claiming this ridicoulus thing about being able to
> distinguish beetween 256-320kbps (mp3) or 500kbps (ogg) meet each other at next
> LAU and have a public test? I would really enjoy this double blind test with no
> "degenerated idiots" around.

You completely missed the point, I hope you will be able to understand
the neon light example. You need to make real life tests and care about
the sensitivities. What happens if you listen 16 hours with just a few
short rests to an analog tape and what happens if you do this listening
to MP3?

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Received on Tue Oct 14 20:15:03 2014