Re: [LAU] Lossy audio to lossless format

On 14/10/14 at 04:57pm, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Mon, 2014-10-06 at 07:11 +0200, Raffaele Morelli wrote:
> > On 06/10/14 at 01:47am, Chris Bannister wrote:
> > > On Sun, Oct 05, 2014 at 12:40:51PM +0200, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> > > > On Wed, 2014-10-01 at 09:14 -0400, Paul Davis wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > On Wed, Oct 1, 2014 at 7:27 AM, Gene Heskett <gheskett@wdtv.com>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > Your ears are probably the best tool. Some hear well, and some
> > > > > do not.
> > > > > I am amazed at the number of people who cannot tell if mp3 has
> > > > > ever been
> > > > > in the mix. To me its obvious, when your ears get tired of it,
> > > > > and want to
> > > > > "change the station" in just a minute or so, its been an mp3
> > > > > at some
> > > > > point.
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense!
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > It is established without any shadow of a doubt that the overwhelming
> > > > > majority of the population CANNOT tell the difference between a
> > > > > reasonable bit-rate encoding in mp3 format and the original PCM data.
> > > > > This isn't up for debate.
> > > >
> > > > For crying out loud, stop this nonsense Paul!
> > > >
> > > > Just because several people can't distinguish cheese made of raw milk
> > > > with cheese made from heated milk, doesn't mean that the tests are ok.
> > > > I'm unable to stand heated milk, I'm unable to stand cheese made from
> > > > heated mild and I'm unable to stand MP3. Yes, there are double-blind
> > > > tests that confirm that people guess the real taste of a strawberry is
> > > > the artificial taste and that the natural taste is artificial. IOW if
> > > > you make double-blind tests with degenerated idiots, the results will be
> > > > idiotic.
> > > >
> > > > Please post links about MP3 double-blind test done with human beings who
> > > > still remember how a real strawberry or banana yogurt does taste, who
> > > > know how a real Camembert made from raw milk does taste.
> > > >
> > > > What group of people was unable to distinguish between a good recording
> > > > and a MP3?
> > >
> > > Spot on Ralf! You've said it way better than I ever could.
> > > Once you've actually *heard* good sound, an MP3 coming from a computer
> > > just doesn't cut it.
> > >
> >
> > ie spot on your cognitive dissonance ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance )
> >
> > BTW, what if you all claiming this ridicoulus thing about being able to
> > distinguish beetween 256-320kbps (mp3) or 500kbps (ogg) meet each other at next
> > LAU and have a public test? I would really enjoy this double blind test with no
> > "degenerated idiots" around.
>
> You completely missed the point, I hope you will be able to understand
> the neon light example. You need to make real life tests and care about
> the sensitivities. What happens if you listen 16 hours with just a few
> short rests to an analog tape and what happens if you do this listening
> to MP3?

congnitive dissonance: ie you CANNOT tell the difference so you CLAIM it's
a biased test because of "listening fatigue"... but it takes less than 10 minutes
for a 30 trial run unless you want to demonstrate Bernoulli's theorem without
n-> ∞

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