Re: [LAU] Assumed you want to remove pulseaudio - Was: Diagnosing JACK

On 10/09/2015 10:57 PM, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> It's off-topic for the original thread and might confuse the OP of this
> thread, so I opened a new one.
>
> If somebody wants to get rid of pulseaudio, without recompiling,
> without dummy packages, then it doesn't harm to test if software really
> needs pulseaudio.
>
> On Sat, 10 Oct 2015 05:32:43 +0000 (UTC), fred wrote:
>> De : Ralf, Envoyé le : Samedi 10 octobre 2015 1h39
>>> For me it's easier to just install one sound server instead of two or
>>> more sound servers. I don't need to comment out something or to add
>>> something to an app. For most use cases it's simpler to use one sound
>>> server.
>>
>> That's because you have the technical ability to do it Ralf!>> For
>> most of "simple users" installing distros "as it comes", you just
>> finish with 'killall pulseaudio' before starting Jack,>> and it
>> works right :)
>
> My Ubuntu install has zero dependencies to pulseaudio. Since I test a
> lot with my Arch Linux install I need a dummy package to fulfil hard
> dependencies for cinnamon and vice. There are 4 optional dependencies.
>
> Even if I would like to use Cinnamon, I couldn't, because it requires
> an absurd fast graphics. Using the "radeon" driver Google Earth is fast
> as lightning, but Cinnamon is nearly unresponsive. Vice is an emulator I
> just planed to test, but I never did, IOW assumed recompiling without
> pulseaudio or just installing a dummy package, as I did, wouldn't work,
> I could simply remove this software [1].
>
> If users anyway suspend/kill pulseaudio and dummy packages work too,
> then why is it a hard dependency for some software?
> Why not using simply software that doesn't require pulseaudio?
>
> I'm using openbox, but at least JWM, Xfce4 and Mate are installed too
> and seemingly non of them requires pulseaudio.
>
> If you're using a deb based distro, make a dry-run to test, if there
> really is needed software that depends on pulseaudio [2].
>
> IMO Ubuntu and Debian aren't distro for power-users or geeks only.
>
> [1]
> [rocketmouse@archlinux lib]$ cd /bin/;du -sh
> 1.2G .
> [rocketmouse@archlinux bin]$ cd /lib/;sudo du -sh
> 5.2G .
> [rocketmouse@archlinux lib]$ sudo pacman -R pulseaudio pulseaudio-alsa
> vice cinnamon-settings-daemon cinnamon-control-center cinnamon checking
> dependencies... :: fluidsynth optionally requires pulseaudio:
> PulseAudio sound support :: phonon-qt4 optionally requires pulseaudio:
> PulseAudio support :: phonon-qt5 optionally requires pulseaudio:
> PulseAudio support :: speech-dispatcher optionally requires pulseaudio:
> PulseAudio support
>
> Packages (6) cinnamon-2.6.13-3 cinnamon-control-center-2.6.0-1
> cinnamon-settings-daemon-2.6.3-1 pulseaudio-2013.08.18-1
> pulseaudio-alsa-2-3 vice-2.4-7
>
> Total Removed Size: 51.37 MiB
>
> :: Do you want to remove these packages? [Y/n] n
> [rocketmouse@archlinux lib]$ grep Driver /etc/X11/xorg.conf | grep -v
> "#" Driver "radeon"
>
> [2]
> [root@moonstudio ~]# apt-get purge --dry-run pulseaudio
> Reading package lists... Done
> Building dependency tree
> Reading state information... Done
> The following packages will be REMOVED:
> pulseaudio*
> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1 to remove and 0 not upgraded.
> Purg pulseaudio [2015:09-06-moonstudio]

I have Aptosid here (Debian Sid) and it doesn't have Pulseaudio anything
on it. JACK2 works. Audio in Firefox works without JACK (but when I'm
working on music, I'm not listening to audio in anything else.

IIRC, KDE4 requires Phonon and PulseAudio?

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David W. Jones
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