RE: [linux-audio-dev] ardour, LADSPA, a marriage

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Subject: RE: [linux-audio-dev] ardour, LADSPA, a marriage
From: Tommi Ilmonen (tilmonen_AT_cc.hut.fi)
Date: Thu Nov 16 2000 - 19:52:03 EET


On Wed, 15 Nov 2000, Garth Brantley wrote:

> > To be honest I think the way analog mixers work is not the
> > way to go about
> > digital/GUI/mouse mixing, but I have not had the time to come
> > up with a
> > better idea. Should look at other systems, but most seem
> > rather awful -
> > not quite as bad as ProTools, but way too tied to the analog world.
>
> You have to remember that analog mixers have evolved over many years to
> the state they are in now. It seems to me that they have evolved to meet
> the needs of the users. For instance, buses and aux sends are essentially
> the same thing (except aux sends have additional gain controls). They have
> evolved into seperate systems because people use them for seperate purposes.
> IE they have evolved to fit the way people think about and work with music.
> ProTools and the other DAW's seems to follow these metaphors to start
> with and evolve from there based on user feedback. The main advantage is
> that in software you can take away the limitation of having everything hard
> wired (You can have 24 buses on a channel or you can have 24 aux sends,
> which ever you prefer).

I used inexact words earlier. Analog mixers I like - as you said, they
have been developed for a while now and they tend to work. Copying this
metaphor into computer domain a la ProTools is the problem. In a physical
mixer you have tons of knobs and meters - with computer you get blurry
pixel-crap display (=the monitor) and a few archaic input devices (=mouse,
keyboard) that were never designed for this stuff. Also there are more
options since we do not need to hardwire everything. For these reasons
people (including me) should rethink how to run audio with them. The
idea that is currently dominant is: "Lets duplicate the analog mixer and
try to make it work on a computer. We'll introduce small changes as time
gets by to fix the worst problems."

The current frenzy about "digitally analog modular synths" has the same
starting point and the same problems.

--

I believe we are really agreeing more than 80 % altough the phrasings are different.

Tommi Ilmonen Researcher >=> http://www.hut.fi/u/tilmonen/ Linux/IRIX audio: Mustajuuri >=> http://www.tml.hut.fi/~tilmonen/mustajuuri/ 3D audio/animation: DIVA >=> http://www.tml.hut.fi/Research/DIVA/


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