Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] Re: Behringer
From: Jan Depner (eviltwin69_AT_cableone.net)
Date: Thu Dec 02 2004 - 01:29:51 EET
On Wed, 2004-12-01 at 16:37, Dave Robillard wrote:
> On Tue, 2004-30-11 at 17:43 -0500, Lee Revell wrote:
> > No one said they were good. I just said it was better than no support
> > at all, and whatever RME decides to do, they designed the hardware, it's
> > THEIR CHOICE.
>
> No, it's not better than no support at all. No support doesn't destroy
> Linux in the long run. Try to think on a little wider scale than
> getting one silly little sound card to work in your specific (x86,
> running a "supported" version of the Linux kernel) computer. There are
> more important things than trivial convenience for a small subset of
> Linux users (at the expense of all the other ones) you know.
>
My problem is a whole lot more important than 1 silly little sound
card. As I said before, somewhere around 200 Linux systems with NVIDIA
cards and the proprietary driver. The "more important" things you speak
of are important to you but not to me. I don't belong to your church.
> > You can't expect people to respect your choice to GPL the
> > code you write then bitch and moan when they decide to sell their
> > hardware under terms that make sense to them. If you don't like it then
> > pardon my French but you can design your own fucking sound card.
> >
> > Lee
>
> If you don't like your software being free and open, then pardon my
> French but you can go design your own fucking operating system. If not,
> you could at least have some respect for the ideals that are the reason
> for the creation of this one.
>
Children, children, try to be civil. You miss the point Dave. I
don't have to design my own OS. Someone else did it for me and put it
under the GPL so I can use it. Unfortunately RME didn't do that and I
can't force them to. The software I write is also under the GPL so
someone else can use it anytime they want. That, though, is my (and
Steve's and Jack's and Ron's and Patricks') choice. Nobody twisted our
arms. *If* I was in the market for an RME Fireface I would hope that
RME would put out *any* kind of Linux driver for it. Eventually, if
someone were sharp enough, they'd reverse engineer it and then I could
switch to the open source driver. I seriously doubt that anyone is
going to get the generic NVIDIA driver to run as fast as the one that
NVIDIA puts out and, until they do, I'm stuck with a closed source
driver. I'm not going to cry about it though.
I think you're being overly pessimistic Dave. Linux isn't going to
be destroyed because companies put out closed source drivers. In fact,
most of the proprietary posturing reminds me of the story of the seven
Chinese brothers. You can't hold back the sea.
Jan
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