Subject: Kinda OT Rant was Re: [linux-audio-user] Pro Audio Software RANT!!!
From: Gary Counsellor (sineigs_AT_eskimo.com)
Date: Fri Jan 25 2002 - 20:47:44 EET
I was a windo$s Logic Audio user (sounds like TV version of AA) for about 5-6
years. Windows wasn't too expensive once you let the hubub die down and did
a little shopping but it was FLAKEY! Upgrades could be even worse, another
$100 for for cd or practiacally a week to try their online updates that
happened almost weekly and always meant having to download 50M+ (esp for
exploder) and stating all over again from scratch if anything went wrong with
download (often did esp. with dial-ups). After install things would go ok
except for crashes/lock-ups and driver issues (especially that "windows has
found new hardware-would you like to install the drivers for it" when I
hadn't change physical or software config in months. I'd end up with 3
monitors, 2 network cards, and 1/2 dozen 'unidentified hardware pieces'. NT
was stable but very limited on hardware support. And it's still the same
way.
Logic Audio was expensive, would crash/lockup, sometimes because of window$
and some time because of itself. Up dates were frequent and oft times cheap
or free, until they'd decided to re-write the whole entire program to better
implement their ideas and to function better on the 'new windows'. Logic
Audio was originally a MAC app that was ported to windows. By the time I was
done the 'latest up-grade was costing more than I had orriginally paid for
the program and you still needed tons of outboard gear to work effeciently
and secure in a crash not loosing a days work, your whole project or just a
great take (personally, my worst nightmare).
I agree that $$$ can keep a boat afloat. But not necessarily heading where
you want it to go. I put my $$$ into good hardware, my biz time into my
clientel (I also run a pro rec studio) and any of my real personal time (that
I'm not spending on family or house maint.) Running, testing, debugging,
suggesting, helping, programming (I keep my rusty C in squeeky condition at
best) linux users and apps.
I figure $$$ wasn't solving my problems no matter how much I threw at M$ and
Emagic so I put my $$$ where I believe it will do the most good and the same
goes for my time and heart.
After 5-6 years of linux and several distros I can honestly say. By God!
you're Right! There isn't anything in linux that comes close to cakewalk or
logic audio (sometimes I'm glad, no matter how many sparkleys they added to
those programs they could still leave you with mud on your face). And your
also correct that you can get so wrapped up in configuring, upgrading and bug
chasing that you may easily forget your ultimate goal (uh... making music,
Right?) But things have come a long way in linux in a much shorter time
and there are many things you can do in linux, you just stop looking for 'The
Ultimate Program' (not you personally, this is a non people rant aimed at
anything vaguely resembling the "insert band here and out come another chart
topper" mentality) and learn how to use lots and lots of little ones
seperately or together. You learn how to do record music the way it has
always been done. Fly by the shirtail, take off the gloves and get dirty,
experiment, ad lib, have a lotta fun, learn from others and from yourself and
enjoy the mistakes. They will be next years fads.
I'm apologizing now and return you all to the topical newsgroup we all enjoy
Thank You,
-- Gary Counsellor http://www.musician2000.com sineigs.all.attitudes_AT_eskimo.com Please remove.all.attitudes before replyingIn 1977, there were 37 Elvis impersonators in the world. In 1993, there were 48,000. At this rate, by the year 2010 one out of every three people will be an Elvis impersonator. (Source: N/A)
On Thursday 24 January 2002 20:37, you wrote: > Honestly, > I've been in the Cakewalk windo$e camp for awhile, and for the last > year or so I installed Mandrake 8 to give linux a go. I was so excited to > get away from microsoft. I began to explore all the linux apps out there > for linux to find my equivalent tools to work with, but the sad fact is, > -Unless you are into hard-core computor music composition, i.e. coding > software algos for music > -Unless you are willing to wrestle with your hardware, far beyond getting > your sound card to work with asio drivers to get that perfect low-latency > -Unless you are willing to age 10 years compiling, re-compiling > applications, drivers, libraries etc., and doing nothing musical > STAY AWAY!!! > Use it for what its good for, writing software, networking etc. > Theoretically, with the low-latency patches we should have good > performance, but IMHO the apps are not anyway close to what win$ offers, > (if you can even get them to work without a 4 year degree in computor > science), and that makes me sad. > I have found that there is alot of people in linux who get enthused, > get big plans, begin writing the new monster app only to loose steam later. > Ya you have the source code but are YOU willing, or have the skills, to > get in there and code what needs to be done? > In win$, at least because of the almighty $$$, Cake and Cubase have > matured for years, and all things aside are fairly stable, mature apps you > can rely on in biz, if not to just compose some music!!! I really don't > get it, because the programming talent here is amazing, these guys know > everything and are very helpfull, indeed the best part about linux. But, > in win$ there are numerous apps that work, even shareware like the amazing > Buzz. I would think that these guys could code mature, stable apps that > rival the win$ stuff, but the opposite is the case. I hate to say it, but > my observation is that there is too much competition to see who is the best > programmer and not enough cooperation to get things rolling. > Sadly Ken > (as he begins to put win$ back on one of his partitions.........) > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Enrico Adami" <adamie_AT_infinito.it> > To: "Linux Audio User" <linux-audio-user_AT_music.columbia.edu> > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:54 AM > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Pro Audio Software > > > I am the owner of a pro studio of music recording, i am also a new user > > of Gnu/Linux Suse 7.3. Before i used win2k and Cubase Vst 32 R1. I need > > pro > > (or > > > similar) audio software (i have seen al lot of software but i don't know > > wich is pro or not) for my Pc (with 2 RME hammerfall Digi 9652) . I need > > for > > > example a multitraks hd recording, a mixer with the aux possibility > > (every misician needs to hear what he plays and what the others play in > > different channels) and so on until a good software to burn audio CDs. > > Could anyone help me?
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