RE: [linux-audio-user] Acid for Linux ? - Pitch shift

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Subject: RE: [linux-audio-user] Acid for Linux ? - Pitch shift
From: Mark Knecht (
Date: Wed Dec 11 2002 - 16:50:04 EET

   Acid Loops are importable into Pro Tools so I don't think they are that
proprietary. Just mono or stereo wave files with some extra info. Including
these loops in Ardour or Rosegarden probably wouldn't be that difficult
technically, although Ardour would have to address stereo issue more
directly I think.

   The license agreement for Acid Loops usually says something like "The
loops are royalty free for inclusion in music you make. You may not, however
distribute them in any other form than a final completed piece of music."
Meaning you can't make copies and give them to other Acid users. Personally,
I think the libraries are inexpensive enough that people really don't need
to do that anyway.

   The biggest issue that hasn't been addressed here is that the biggest
pain with Acid is actually managing the loop library and finding what you
need. I've purchased drum loop libraries with 500 loops on a CD. How do you
find the right loop to include in your song? This is the biggest problem.
There really is no Acid solution today.

   In the hardware synth world, Roland and others have features on their
synths that allow you to find 'similar' sounds, so that when you are working
with something close, the box can suggest others. That's cool.

   With drums, however, you're looking for back beats, fills, stuff that
works in a verse or a chorus. It's a big pain in the rear.

   Some really nifty solution in that area would be really attractive.


-----Original Message-----
[]On Behalf Of Darren
Sent: Tuesday, December 10, 2002 10:40 PM
Subject: Re: [linux-audio-user] Acid for Linux ? - Pitch shift

On Tuesday, December 10, 2002, at 10:33 PM, Mark Knecht wrote:

> This is a point I made earlier, and I completely agree with you.

Oh, sorry, I must have missed it. And here I was, thinking I was
keeping tight track of this thread. :)

> Acid library compatibility
> would be a major advantage. Huge.

Absolutely, but I have a feeling that reverse-engineering their
proprietary format (mentioned earlier by Gerasimos) would invite legal
attack. Now, since this format is used on only *some* Acid libraries,
we could still take advantage of other parts of the total libraries
available. But the person using them would need to legally buy their
own copies.

> This is a pretty standard topic of conversation, both in the Acid world
> and in the GigaStudio world. (Wanna talk about another good app to get
> on Linux?) ;-)

What, an open library of loops, samples, and patches? And yes, a good,
high-end sampler would be really nice for Linux. Isn't someone working
on one?

> Please keep in mind that we do NOT want to encourage the copying and
> distribution of copyrighted material, which is most of the existing
> libraries, and also of most of the stock programmed synth sounds. I.e.
> -
> as much as I love some of the Nord Lead 3 sounds, it's not really
> allowed that someone just record them and then make loops. (Or at least
> that needs to be checked.)

Again, I'm in agreement. In theory, once you buy a copy of a library,
the loops on it become "royalty free" (whatever that means), but I have
a feeling there are still strings attached.

And as far as I know, the factory patches of any synthesizer can be
used in music, whether that be loops or complete songs. And even if
they're not, I don't see how Clavia can prevent someone from using
their own personal patches for such a use. They made and sold the
synthesizer specifically with the intention of it being used on stage
and for recordings.

> IMO You are on base.

First, second, or third? ;)

Thanks for the feedback. I think I'll get started on a design for the
Open Loop Library idea and present it at some not-too-distant future


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