Re: [LAU] ASCAP Assails Free-Culture, Digital-Rights Groups

On 07/01/2010 10:51 PM, drew Roberts wrote:
> On Wednesday 30 June 2010 13:38:39 you wrote:
>
>> On Wed, Jun 30, 2010 at 1:28 PM, drew Roberts<zotz@email-addr-hidden> wrote:
>>
>>> So, you think that the before and at options are not viable?
>>>
>> i don't believe that the before or at options are viable for the
>> overwhelming majority of artists& creatives. i think that "before/at"
>> can probably work for programmers working on contract work.
>>
> I think it is worth some serious experimenting and efforts on the before and
> at phases to see what we can come up with before we discount them out of
> hand.
>
> Anyone else interested?
>
>>
>>>> i'm fine (to some extent) with the conclusion that we, as a society,
>>>> no longer wish to pay artists& creatives to do what they do. but if
>>>> that's really going to be the conclusion, we'd better think very
>>>> carefully about all the side effects. i'm not sure its pretty, and it
>>>> may be even less pretty than the world in which disney and sonny bono
>>>> get everything they ask for.
>>>>
>>> This I seriously doubt. Putting someone off the internet for *being
>>> accused* of violating copyright three times is way over the top.
>>>
>> its certainly awful, as are your other examples.
>>
> And getting worse.
>
>> on the other hand, i'm not sure quite how the mixture of easy
>> distribution via the net but almost no paid compensation for most
>> artistic work would compare the situation we've had for on the order
>> of 100 years, in which it was feasible for quite a lot of artists to
>> make a living by being artists.
>>
> Let's brainstorm and run some experiments and see what we can learn and
> document it for everyone.
>
> One new thought I just had was making early access the thing you charge for.
> People can pay to be the first to have your new hit.
>
>

You/We would need a credible following first. Maybe we can get a
subscription to LAM going but it would probably only be a trickle of <
$100 per month at the moment.

> For those able and willing to perform. A world without collection societies
> might/should free up more money on the part of the venue folks to pay to the
> performers.
>

Highly unlikely the performers would se the money. Venues tend to make
most of their profits on drinks not tickets. Tickets usually go someway
towards paying for the cost of the venue, staff, marketing, artists,
travel, accomodation, etc... The rest is covered by sponsors if you are
lucky but usually only in kind and not with cash payments.

>> and i don't mean this as a snide rhetorical remark - i mean that i
>> really don't know.
>>
> No, it is a real issue. Not one for easy and snide answers.
>
> all the best,
>
> drew
>
>
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