Re: [LAU] Linux programs for creatiing/manipulating sound effects

Hartmut Noack wrote:
> Am 08.02.2011 17:33, schrieb david:
>> Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>> Am 08.02.2011 09:15, schrieb david:
>>>> Hartmut Noack wrote:
>>>>> Am 08.02.2011 08:35, schrieb david:
>>>>>> Robin Gareus wrote:
>>>>>>> Hi Mike,
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> On 02/07/2011 04:40 PM, Mike Cookson wrote:
>>>>>>>> For non-realtime (including non-linear, like montage) processing
>>>>>>>> you
>>>>>>>> need only plugins (ladspa, lv2, vamp) and some editor like
>>>>>>>> Audacity,
>>>>>>>> mhWaveEdit or something other.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> For realtime (also called
>>>>>>>> non-destructive editing... hm, probably, they are right :) you need
>>>>>>>> set of various software, that could be used at one time and be
>>>>>>>> connected each to other).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> real-time effects processing and non-destructive editing often go
>>>>>>> hand
>>>>>>> in hand, but note that
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> "non-destructive" means that the original [audio] data will never be
>>>>>>> modified. Any edit/effect/modifications are saved as new files (or
>>>>>>> remebered as application-settings operating on the original data).
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> audio-editors (rezound, audacity, sweep, etc) are usually
>>>>>>> destructive:
>>>>>>> load file, apply effect, save file -> original file is gone.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Audacity is import audio file, apply effect, save project (optional),
>>>>>> export in chosen format. It never replaces the original file.
>>>>>
>>>>> So there is a major dfference between audiofiles, you have imported
>>>>> and audiofiles, you have recorded with audacity -- correct?
>>>>
>>>> No, I never have. I usually use JACK, and have never been able to make
>>>> Audacity work with JACK. I've only done the following things with
>>>> Audacity:
>>>>
>>>> 1. Import 16 tracks of 32-bit WAV files (recorded on another machine
>>>> from my church band's Firewire interface using some Windows software)
>>>> and do basic mixing.
>>>>
>>>> 2. Trim and cleanup voice audio recordings made on my PDA.
>>>>
>>>> 3. Trim and convert wave files recorded using jack_capture.
>>>>
>>>> 4. Pitch shift prerecorded MP3s if needed for band members who play
>>>> solely by ear (if the recording's in Eb and we're playing it in D,
>>>> they're lost).
>>>>
>>>> If you have the time and brains needed to learn Ardour, go for it!
>>>>
>>> I think it is a myth, that Ardour is too complicated to learn for a
>>> beginner.
>>
>> Perhaps it's a myth for others. I responded only from my own experience.
>>
>> There are plenty of folk here who use Ardour and do wonderful things
>> with it. Advanced features? I couldn't tell an advanced feature from a
>> basic feature. I couldn't even figure out to simply record anything with
>> it, and Ardour's "automagic" setup didn't seem to include that
>> connection.
>
> New Project -> add stereo-track -> arm it for recording -> klick the red
> record-button in the upper left play-control.

It helps when you already know what to do.

> Here is another little trick that may be helpfull for beginners:
>
> SHIFT+E pops up the Mixer-channel of the active track. Klick around in
> it to solve most of the problems and answer most of the questions that
> may arise for a beginner in Ardour. Such as from top to bottom:
>
> - where is my sound-card input signal going to?
> - where are these plug-ins and how and where can I insert them?

Thanks, will keep that in mind when I tackle Ardour 3.

> Do not get me wrong: Ardour IS in fact not the most simple of the
> beasts. But the comparably little effort to get it under controll brings
> a lot of benefits that are must haves for serious audio-work. The most
> prominent are realtime-mix/FX and automation.
>
> What good is a simple interface if it does not give you the possibility
> to set the parameters of an EQ *while* you hear, what you do.
>
> As I switched from Windows 98 and Samplitude to Linux 2.4 I tried all
> audio-editors available for Suse 7.3 and the only one that I found to be
> worthwhile was SND. Shortly after that I heared word from Ardour that
> was a legend that time. Only installable by wizards that know how to
> compile komplex software from source and only runable with the magickal
> jack, who needed an even more magical rt-kernel.
>
> I worked for months until I had this Ardour-thing running and from that
> very point I knew, that I would never again install a dual-boot system.

Won't argue with any of that.

-- 
David
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