Re: [LAU] light weight, full featured desktop for audio

From: Len Ovens <len@email-addr-hidden>
Date: Sat Feb 23 2013 - 18:55:27 EET

On Sat, February 23, 2013 4:07 am, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
> On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 14:07 +0100, Ralf Mardorf wrote:
>> On Fri, 2013-02-22 at 07:50 -0500, Dave Phillips wrote:
>> > On 02/22/2013 04:00 AM, david wrote:
>> >
>> > > XFCE4 works here for me
>> > > ...
>> >
>> >
>> > Ditto, on three systems (two Ubuntu 12.04, one Arch).
>
> On an updated Arch I'm experiencing similar issues as for an updated
> Ubunt Quantal now.
> Note, that I don't get those issues for my not updated Ubuntu Precise.

I personally have less problems with quantal, but my usage is probably not
the same.

> I'm not aware what does cause this issue, but I first experienced it
> with Ubuntu Quantal. When I want to edit settings for Xfce4 or Evolution
> in Quantal I often have to delete ~/.cache, then it does work. This is a
> known bug, many people experience on Xubuntu user mailing list.

I have not had problems with xfce4 settings at all, but I seem to remember
you having problems with alacarte. Alacarte is not a great menu editing
tool. Menu editing should be possible far beyond what alacarte does and if
it was my decision, I would not include it. It's restore to system default
does not work either. This is a problem with the alacarte application, not
quantal itself. There are not only files in in ~/.config, but also
~/.local. Should I run out of other projects and feel bored, I might make
an alacarte replacement... If by then we are still using the XDG standard
or in fact (given the direction DEs are going), have menus at all. In the
case of alacarte I would suggest hand editing the files. Yes this means
going through the learning curve needed to do so, but I am not aware of
any alternative at the moment.

>
> On Arch I need(ed) to edit some settings, especially the username for a
> POP access of an new account. I can't change a typo, the edited username
> will be reset to the username with the typo, even if I delete ./cache
> first.
>
> I directly edited the configuration files in
> /home/rocketmouse/.config/evolution/sources/*@archlinux.source
> after deleting ~/.cache, but when opening Evolution, those settings are
> ignored, they must be archived somewhere else. There's nothing in /tmp
> and again, ~/.cache was deleted.
>
> The only good news is, that after deleting the cache and editing the
> configuration files with an editor _+ a reboot_, Evolution does use the
> new settings.

From all of this, I am getting that there is a problem with evolution. I
can't really comment as I don't use it at all, in fact it doesn't come
with UbuntuStudio. I use a web based mail client because I use more than
one computer and I have found it useful to be able to deal with my folders
on more than one machine or from more than one boot even on the same
machine.

In my case I have control of the server the mail client is on. If it was
not so I would probably go for a local client.

> known bug for Xubuntu Quantal, other people experience too, even for
> Xfce menu settings etc..

This wording is confusing as the problems seem to be application specific
rather than distro specific. Naming the distro is helpful as it says what
version the application with problems is. I don't think there is much you
can do about alacarte, though the return to system default may be
considered a bug, but in the case of evolution bug reporting should help.
I would take look at the release notes though, in case a new version of
evolution has made a non-upgradable change in config files or something
like that.

> At least I don't get the performance issues on Arch, that I get for
> Quantal.

Performance? Now there is a loaded word. Does performance mean low latency
or high throughput? The two are not both available at the same time... Or
maybe it means something quite different. Personally, I have not had any
"performance" issues.

For a good discussion on performance read some of George Buehler's writing
(it's about boats, but I think it applies to life in general).
http://www.georgebuehler.com/summ.html Look for the performance section.

Anyway I would suggest not using the word performance at all, but rather
describing what it is you feel your system is lacking and how you think it
should work. Not just speed, but speed of what? For example, with my
current quantal setup I can get better low latency performance. However,
if I use that performance, my desktop is slower.... That is the compromise
I make.

-- 
Len Ovens
www.OvenWerks.net
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