Subject: Re: [linux-audio-dev] LAD website based on PHPNuke and mailinglist proposals ...
From: Jörn Nettingsmeier (nettings_AT_folkwang-hochschule.de)
Date: Thu May 31 2001 - 20:50:40 EEST
Benno Senoner wrote:
>
> On Wednesday 30 May 2001 21:33, Jörn Nettingsmeier wrote:
> > Benno Senoner wrote:
> > > I've read the nice news about the new mailinglists and I think it is good
> > > to split up the list in a developers and users list.
> > > (perhaps even a third one: -users for advanced users and -newbies for the
> > > very linux audio newbies (eg the ones having trouble to invoke a "make"
> > > :-) )
> >
> > wholeheartedly no. who's going to help the newbies if the advanced
> > users are all on the other list ?
> > even though it's getting simpler every day to have mailing lists, i
> > think there are too many already. every little tool has at least
> > one. (cat-new-features-announce anyone ? or cat-newbies ? cat-gurus
> > ? cat-devel ? cat-advocacy ?)
> >
> > splitting up a community too much is a Bad Thing.
>
> Ok I do agree.
> Perhaps we could use phpnuke's forums to complement the -users list.
> (eg those that do not want to use the mailinglist can use the forum but as
> always there will be no guarantee that people that helps out newbies will
> watch both the mailinglist and the forum)
hmm. not sure.
i don't like huge masses of tiny slashdot-style articles on a site.
not very readable.
yes for news, yes for announcements, yes for short users' comments
if they make sense, but discussions and q&a should stay on the
mailing list.
when something important comes up, people can summarize and that can
go on the site.
i'd rather write a faq by hand than have a load of unsorted little
tidbits with scattered pieces of information. that's what the list
archive is for.
the greatest benefit i see is that we can offer all members a little
place to write about themselves, what they do wrt to linux audio,
what kind of music they make and what their interests are. must be
searchable by name, keyword and project names.
> > > Regarding the LAD site, we need something that is more manageable than
> > > the current static site on linuxdj.com. (where Joern and the others have
> > > done a nice job).
> >
> > agreed.
>
> >
> > > But in the meantime I've found another story server (slashdot-like) which
> > > works very very well and where I think that it offers most stuff we need
> > > to manage a community driven protal.
> > > It is called PHPNuke (see http:///phpnuke.org)
> >
> > seen it. looks nice, but used to have horrible security problems
> > when i last checked, so i didn't take a closer look. might be sorted
> > out now, don't know.
>
> AFAIK they seem to be gone (the engine has improved very much over the pas
> months).
> I'm quite comfortable with it.
>
> And who says that nope does not have security problems, especially the
> version hacked by me ? :-)
well, i understand what nope does. haven't looked at your hacks,
though...
but then it's your box. let the world root it, fine with me :)
> > > This time I will not fail to deliver the promise (like with the NOPE
> > > stuff) since I have the PHPNuke stuff already running and a new install
> > > means only a copy operation, so no big deal)
> >
> > great.
>
> Ok the phpnuke for lad is up and you (Joern) have already the admin login in
> your mailbox.
> :-)
have glanced at it briefly. need to play more.
pages are huge. 11k of candy with zero content. :(
but then, i don't want to be called a bit-fiddler, and the lines get
faster every year, so what the heck, i have dsl. modem users yell
now.
> > which box will host it ?
>
> A new one with PHP4 and the lastest mysql release .. so do not worry
> :-)
phew.
> > last time i checked, the php module on linuxdj.com was so f&%$§ing
> > ancient you couldn't even do basic authentication stuff, so i gave
> > up implementing a mechanism for news submissions.
>
> I suggest you to use the linuxdj.com site only for the static stuff.
:)
> > if you set up such a beast, i'm on the bus.
> > however, i would like a few things to remain as they are, namely the
> > color scheme (corresponding to the logo), the static pages and the
>
> For the color scheme we will work out something where anyone if happy with.
> I suggest a white background anyway because gray is not that easy to read
> especially with phpnuke's font.
> As for the colors of the titlebars etc , it's all configurable.
> Any proposals folks ?
> (please in #RRGGBB format :-) )
my suggestion is: take the color palette from the logo. (and make it
work and look good somehow, that's the hard part :)
> > correctness of the code, which currently is pretty rotten ;-)
> > (http://validator.w3.org/check?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.abctella.com%2F&doctype
> >=Inline) did i mention that nitpicker is my middle name ?
>
> :-)
> It's not my fault since I'm using phpnuke out of the box. (so please complain
> with the phpnuke guys)
sigh. that's why i like <meta name="generator" content="me">.
so that means fighting with the phpnuke guy and his open-source,
closed development model ?
> Anyway I tried the pages on netscape for linux, konqueror on KDE, explorer
> and netscape on windows and explorer and netscape on Mac and the page comes
> up fine on all browsers so I guess the W3C compliance is not #1 priority.
> :-)
<rant>
i just had a week-long fight with a moron webmaster who would
deliver totally bogus pages to our linux-based internet kiosks. had
an empty blind table in the header (!), no <body> at all and at the
end there was another doctype definition with a redirect meta header
tag, and no closing </html>.
his ie5 did it, so he told me to upgrade my browsers. i told him
something i will not repeat in a public forum.
this might be an extreme example, but as you can see IMNSHO w3c
compliance *is* an issue, even though may look like it works.
</rant>
-- Jörn Nettingsmeier home://Kurfürstenstr.49.45138.Essen.Germany phone://+49.201.491621 http://icem-www.folkwang-hochschule.de/~nettings/ http://www.linuxdj.com/audio/lad/
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