Subject: Re: Not Really OT Rant was Re: [linux-audio-user] Pro Audio Software RANT!!!
From: Jason (hormonex_AT_yankthechain.com)
Date: Sat Jan 26 2002 - 01:27:53 EET
I have a deep and abiding hatred of all things steinberg, so I'd say steer
clear of cubasis at all costs, no matter what OS you're on. And Maudio
stuff sounds better than Echo, IMHO. It seems to me though, that if all
you're looking for is basic multitracking, there are a number of options
on Linux that seem reasonable. My complaints arise in the dearth of more
advanced capabilities that you only really need when you don't have them.
;)
On 25 Jan 2002, Mitch Pirtle wrote:
> You couldn't have brought this up at a better time, IMHO.
>
> I'm a guy (old analog fart, actually) that's wanting to get back into
> home multitracking, and asked this list about hardware. First off, I
> received a lot of help, advice and encouragement, and for that I am
> eternally grateful. But the real question I should have asked was about
> the software.
>
> I'm an 'electronic musician' because I have years of using guitars,
> basses, drum machines, and rack-mounted effects gear - but stuff like
> sequencing, sampling, and MIDI might as well be a flux capacitor or
> hyposqueelygackumoid array (my invention). Last time I used MIDI was to
> chain effects processors so you could 'program' a footswitch for a 6'
> guitar rack. The Alesis Quadraverb was new, and newfangled because it
> had more than one processor. Kewl.
>
> So for me, at least at the start, the requirements are mainly an
> interface that doesn't get in the way. The two things that are dogging
> me about this: 1) going with ALSA limits my choices in hardware (which
> are financially tight enough as it is); and 2) linux has no cubase,
> protools, etc.
>
> I am a linux-only guy, and the thought of fdisking a machine and
> splitting it up so I can do audio in Windows just hurts. But I would
> rather swallow my pride and get on with the music, rather than remain
> proud, stubborn, and get very little recording done.
>
> My question to everyone on this list - not an argument, but a request
> for honesty - am I better off with a NTFS partition and something like
> an Echo Gina24 (and the bundled Cubasis), or can I really trudge onward
> with a Midiman Delta 66 and the 'great unknown' (or should it be 'great
> unfinished')?
>
>
>
> On Fri, 2002-01-25 at 19:47, Gary Counsellor wrote:
> > I was a windo$s Logic Audio user (sounds like TV version of AA) for about 5-6
> > years. Windows wasn't too expensive once you let the hubub die down and did
> > a little shopping but it was FLAKEY! Upgrades could be even worse, another
> > $100 for for cd or practiacally a week to try their online updates that
> > happened almost weekly and always meant having to download 50M+ (esp for
> > exploder) and stating all over again from scratch if anything went wrong with
> > download (often did esp. with dial-ups). After install things would go ok
> > except for crashes/lock-ups and driver issues (especially that "windows has
> > found new hardware-would you like to install the drivers for it" when I
> > hadn't change physical or software config in months. I'd end up with 3
> > monitors, 2 network cards, and 1/2 dozen 'unidentified hardware pieces'. NT
> > was stable but very limited on hardware support. And it's still the same
> > way.
> > Logic Audio was expensive, would crash/lockup, sometimes because of window$
> > and some time because of itself. Up dates were frequent and oft times cheap
> > or free, until they'd decided to re-write the whole entire program to better
> > implement their ideas and to function better on the 'new windows'. Logic
> > Audio was originally a MAC app that was ported to windows. By the time I was
> > done the 'latest up-grade was costing more than I had orriginally paid for
> > the program and you still needed tons of outboard gear to work effeciently
> > and secure in a crash not loosing a days work, your whole project or just a
> > great take (personally, my worst nightmare).
> > I agree that $$$ can keep a boat afloat. But not necessarily heading where
> > you want it to go. I put my $$$ into good hardware, my biz time into my
> > clientel (I also run a pro rec studio) and any of my real personal time (that
> > I'm not spending on family or house maint.) Running, testing, debugging,
> > suggesting, helping, programming (I keep my rusty C in squeeky condition at
> > best) linux users and apps.
> > I figure $$$ wasn't solving my problems no matter how much I threw at M$ and
> > Emagic so I put my $$$ where I believe it will do the most good and the same
> > goes for my time and heart.
> >
> > After 5-6 years of linux and several distros I can honestly say. By God!
> > you're Right! There isn't anything in linux that comes close to cakewalk or
> > logic audio (sometimes I'm glad, no matter how many sparkleys they added to
> > those programs they could still leave you with mud on your face). And your
> > also correct that you can get so wrapped up in configuring, upgrading and bug
> > chasing that you may easily forget your ultimate goal (uh... making music,
> > Right?) But things have come a long way in linux in a much shorter time
> > and there are many things you can do in linux, you just stop looking for 'The
> > Ultimate Program' (not you personally, this is a non people rant aimed at
> > anything vaguely resembling the "insert band here and out come another chart
> > topper" mentality) and learn how to use lots and lots of little ones
> > seperately or together. You learn how to do record music the way it has
> > always been done. Fly by the shirtail, take off the gloves and get dirty,
> > experiment, ad lib, have a lotta fun, learn from others and from yourself and
> > enjoy the mistakes. They will be next years fads.
> >
> > I'm apologizing now and return you all to the topical newsgroup we all enjoy
> > Thank You,
> > --
> > Gary Counsellor http://www.musician2000.com
> > sineigs.all.attitudes_AT_eskimo.com
> > Please remove.all.attitudes before replying
> >
> > In 1977, there were 37 Elvis impersonators in the world.
> > In 1993, there were 48,000. At this rate, by the year
> > 2010 one out of every three people will be an Elvis
> > impersonator. (Source: N/A)
> >
> >
> > On Thursday 24 January 2002 20:37, you wrote:
> > > Honestly,
> > > I've been in the Cakewalk windo$e camp for awhile, and for the last
> > > year or so I installed Mandrake 8 to give linux a go. I was so excited to
> > > get away from microsoft. I began to explore all the linux apps out there
> > > for linux to find my equivalent tools to work with, but the sad fact is,
> > > -Unless you are into hard-core computor music composition, i.e. coding
> > > software algos for music
> > > -Unless you are willing to wrestle with your hardware, far beyond getting
> > > your sound card to work with asio drivers to get that perfect low-latency
> > > -Unless you are willing to age 10 years compiling, re-compiling
> > > applications, drivers, libraries etc., and doing nothing musical
> > > STAY AWAY!!!
> > > Use it for what its good for, writing software, networking etc.
> > > Theoretically, with the low-latency patches we should have good
> > > performance, but IMHO the apps are not anyway close to what win$ offers,
> > > (if you can even get them to work without a 4 year degree in computor
> > > science), and that makes me sad.
> > > I have found that there is alot of people in linux who get enthused,
> > > get big plans, begin writing the new monster app only to loose steam later.
> > > Ya you have the source code but are YOU willing, or have the skills, to
> > > get in there and code what needs to be done?
> > > In win$, at least because of the almighty $$$, Cake and Cubase have
> > > matured for years, and all things aside are fairly stable, mature apps you
> > > can rely on in biz, if not to just compose some music!!! I really don't
> > > get it, because the programming talent here is amazing, these guys know
> > > everything and are very helpfull, indeed the best part about linux. But,
> > > in win$ there are numerous apps that work, even shareware like the amazing
> > > Buzz. I would think that these guys could code mature, stable apps that
> > > rival the win$ stuff, but the opposite is the case. I hate to say it, but
> > > my observation is that there is too much competition to see who is the best
> > > programmer and not enough cooperation to get things rolling.
> > > Sadly Ken
> > > (as he begins to put win$ back on one of his partitions.........)
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Enrico Adami" <adamie_AT_infinito.it>
> > > To: "Linux Audio User" <linux-audio-user_AT_music.columbia.edu>
> > > Sent: Friday, January 25, 2002 3:54 AM
> > > Subject: [linux-audio-user] Pro Audio Software
> > >
> > > > I am the owner of a pro studio of music recording, i am also a new user
> > > > of Gnu/Linux Suse 7.3. Before i used win2k and Cubase Vst 32 R1. I need
> > > > pro
> > >
> > > (or
> > >
> > > > similar) audio software (i have seen al lot of software but i don't know
> > > > wich is pro or not) for my Pc (with 2 RME hammerfall Digi 9652) . I need
> > >
> > > for
> > >
> > > > example a multitraks hd recording, a mixer with the aux possibility
> > > > (every misician needs to hear what he plays and what the others play in
> > > > different channels) and so on until a good software to burn audio CDs.
> > > > Could anyone help me?
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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