Re: [linux-audio-user] More Homemade Music --

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Date: Mon Jul 04 2005 - 19:16:06 EEST

On Mon, 04 Jul, 2005 at 11:10AM +0100, tim hall spake thus:
> Last Monday 04 July 2005 09:02, was like:
> > On Sun, 03 Jul, 2005 at 10:49AM +0100, tim hall spake thus:
> > > Last Saturday 02 July 2005 16:41, Thorsten Wilms was like:
> > > > Personaly, I don't see the choice of patches/sounds as part of
> > > > the production ... or rather it's inbetween composition/generation
> > > > and production.
> > >
> > > I believe it's called 'arrangement'.
> >
> > I've never been able to work like that.  I know that's the way it
> > should be done, with steps and definable phases, but I just have to do
> > everything at once.
> Defining phases of writing, arrangement, production, recording, mixing,
> mastering doesn't tie us to a way of working as mostly solo artists working
> on our own, it's easy to blur these distinctions. I think it is useful to
> ground the meanings of these terms for the purposes of analysing our results
> and suggesting improvements.
> > I can't just drop something in and then work on it later - everything
> > about the drums, say, has to be done as I'm doing it.  So, that
> > includes selecting drums, getting them into the rhythm I want,
> > compressing them, getting any effects I want on them all or individual
> > drums and eq'ing it all.  Often I do this at the same time I do the
> > bass, with all of the twiddling needed there, too.
> >
> > It might just be because I have a bad memory - I'd forget what the
> > hell I wanted to do with things if I left it for later.  That, and I
> > can't separate making music and producing music.  To me, "over
> > produced" is like saying "over musical".  Which is nonsense.
> I have to disagree with that last statement. To me over-produced is
> over-processed. It doesn't sound like you suffer from this problem. I am all
> too familiar with watching a song die in the studio due to it having been
> rehearsed to death before we began, then the writer decides to change an
> important part of the arrangement five minutes before the red light goes on.
> Then the engineer decides to compress the life out of the bass, drums and
> vocals. By the time the keyboard player has done the 43rd Hammond take, the
> band has lost interest. All the vocals go down flat because the producer is
> obsessive about matching vowel sounds and timing, using extreme editing and
> pitch correction, where none was needed. This style of arranging/production
> frequently fails to come up with a final mix as there is always something to
> fix or add, basically because you didn't get it right the first time.

I suppose this is where professionals like yourself and amateurs like
me differ. Sine I do everything myself, I do it all at once. In
fact, it would drive me bonkers trying to work any other way. I think
production has a different meaning when you have no producer ;)
> Oops, does my stuff look big in this?

Huge. Try vertical stripes.

> tim hall

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Received on Thu Jul 7 16:18:29 2005

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